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Free Music Downloads / Re: [microtonal guitars and creative video] Morning at a Park (youtube)
« Last post by StarWolf3000 on Today at 10:09:10 »Was posted in "Free Music Downloads", so where's the download?
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Help and Questions / global volume for vsti and other misleads
« Last post by ociebieda on April 12, 2021, 00:07:40 »global volume for vsti and other misleads
First of all, I am a big fan of MPT since 20 years, so do not get me wrong, it is great software.
And yes, I know that technically, it is not possible to get as much control over VSTi as for samples.
I want to talk about general volume and pan of VSTi instruments, so very basic thing.
Yes, sure, you can control it in most VSTi.
What about when you are going to tweak your almost finished mix with lots drum samples and VSTi instruments?
This one too loud, this one too quiet, and this one needs some panning.
Scenario 1.
Volume command handling: None
Volume commands with note are velocities: On
|C-501......
|E-501......
|G-501......
|C-601......
Results:
Global volume of instrument works, velocity works, pan (all 3 options: in Instrument tab, as volume command, as effect type) is not working.
Ok, lets go to Mix Settings at General tab then, there should be Mix Mode for panning to use with wet dry, but well, it is not available for VSTi.
Scenario 2.
Volume command handling: None
Volume commands with note are velocities: On
|C-501......
|E-501v32...
|G-501v16...
|C-601v08...
Results:
Surprise, changing global volume works for notes with no volume only, so putting it much lower, will make that notes quieter than ones with volume, breaking original dynamics or (non plugin) delay like effects.
Changing volume command handling to other options does not change the thing.
Alright, so the only soluction (except using volume built inside plugins), is to use Gain in Mix Settings.
The thing is, that it uses precision of 10%, if you want to lower volume, which actually is not enough in most cases (I use 1-2 point precision of global volume for samples, and believe, choice between 38 or 40 or 42, makes noticeable difference for too loud and too quiet).
I believe it would be more usable to give half for lower volume and half for higher with better precision for a cost of max 2x volume instead of 8x (sure, I could lower volume in plugin to get better precision in MPT, but such play does not sound fun).
Ok, the last option I found is to use wet dry slider, which did the trick, but I am not sure its purpose (if panning would work for VSTi here, then I could not even control both, global volume and pan at the same time).
Edit: Well, this was also not good enough solution.
It conflicts with volume command handling wet dry option in following scenario:
|C-501......
|.....v32...
|.....v16...
|.....v08...
Volume command handling will change wet dry slider.
Manual tweak for global volume will be lost.
Edit2: Additional thing, using volume command handling with midi or wet dry, is making even more mess.
|C-501v64...
|.....v32...
|C-601v64...
|.....v32...
Next note after making non note volume change, will play at changed volume.
What is the point?
I was thinking about finishing mixes in comfortable way, like with samples, easily and quickly tweaking global volume and eventually pan in instruments tab, instead of playing games with opening various plugins or jumping between instruments tab for samples and general tab plus vst scrolling for wet dry slider.
Why global volume and pan in instruments tab is not working like wet dry for vst instruments?
Technically, it just need to modify output signal and thats all.
First of all, I am a big fan of MPT since 20 years, so do not get me wrong, it is great software.
And yes, I know that technically, it is not possible to get as much control over VSTi as for samples.
I want to talk about general volume and pan of VSTi instruments, so very basic thing.
Yes, sure, you can control it in most VSTi.
What about when you are going to tweak your almost finished mix with lots drum samples and VSTi instruments?
This one too loud, this one too quiet, and this one needs some panning.
Scenario 1.
Volume command handling: None
Volume commands with note are velocities: On
|C-501......
|E-501......
|G-501......
|C-601......
Results:
Global volume of instrument works, velocity works, pan (all 3 options: in Instrument tab, as volume command, as effect type) is not working.
Ok, lets go to Mix Settings at General tab then, there should be Mix Mode for panning to use with wet dry, but well, it is not available for VSTi.
Scenario 2.
Volume command handling: None
Volume commands with note are velocities: On
|C-501......
|E-501v32...
|G-501v16...
|C-601v08...
Results:
Surprise, changing global volume works for notes with no volume only, so putting it much lower, will make that notes quieter than ones with volume, breaking original dynamics or (non plugin) delay like effects.
Changing volume command handling to other options does not change the thing.
Alright, so the only soluction (except using volume built inside plugins), is to use Gain in Mix Settings.
The thing is, that it uses precision of 10%, if you want to lower volume, which actually is not enough in most cases (I use 1-2 point precision of global volume for samples, and believe, choice between 38 or 40 or 42, makes noticeable difference for too loud and too quiet).
I believe it would be more usable to give half for lower volume and half for higher with better precision for a cost of max 2x volume instead of 8x (sure, I could lower volume in plugin to get better precision in MPT, but such play does not sound fun).
Ok, the last option I found is to use wet dry slider, which did the trick, but I am not sure its purpose (if panning would work for VSTi here, then I could not even control both, global volume and pan at the same time).
Edit: Well, this was also not good enough solution.
It conflicts with volume command handling wet dry option in following scenario:
|C-501......
|.....v32...
|.....v16...
|.....v08...
Volume command handling will change wet dry slider.
Manual tweak for global volume will be lost.
Edit2: Additional thing, using volume command handling with midi or wet dry, is making even more mess.
|C-501v64...
|.....v32...
|C-601v64...
|.....v32...
Next note after making non note volume change, will play at changed volume.
What is the point?
I was thinking about finishing mixes in comfortable way, like with samples, easily and quickly tweaking global volume and eventually pan in instruments tab, instead of playing games with opening various plugins or jumping between instruments tab for samples and general tab plus vst scrolling for wet dry slider.
Why global volume and pan in instruments tab is not working like wet dry for vst instruments?
Technically, it just need to modify output signal and thats all.
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Free Music Downloads / [microtonal guitars and creative video] Morning at a Park (youtube)
« Last post by uncloned on April 09, 2021, 23:13:11 »Combining several of my current hobbies microtonal guitar (17 notes per octave guitars played with ebow), time lapse cloud video and recreational drone footage - the result to me ends up being a bit like putting the world into something like a snow globe.
https://youtu.be/PkdInd9lap8
https://youtu.be/PkdInd9lap8
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General Chatter / The Demise of TiS - any gossip?
« Last post by uncloned on April 09, 2021, 23:06:46 »Hi All, I was wondering if anyone had any info on the last months of TiS. I stopped even bothering to stop by occasionally when somewhere over winter some admin decided to nuke -almost- everyone's older tracks. Now its essentially a tree stripped of any foliage - nothing works... all I guess it's purpose is now is to be a place to park the domain.
I am glad to see MPC and OMPT still kicking.
Just to give this post some legitimacy - have you heard of the lumatone isomorphic keyboard? Deliveries have started and many in the microtonal community are excited. I think $5,000 is far too much for a controller, no matter how fancy, yet there are people buying them.
https://www.lumatone.io/
Thanks,
Uncloned
I am glad to see MPC and OMPT still kicking.
Just to give this post some legitimacy - have you heard of the lumatone isomorphic keyboard? Deliveries have started and many in the microtonal community are excited. I think $5,000 is far too much for a controller, no matter how fancy, yet there are people buying them.
https://www.lumatone.io/
Thanks,
Uncloned
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Free Music Downloads / (Orchestra) Dmitry Jigalov - April (MellowNoiseKiev Edit) (MP3)
« Last post by MellowNoiseKiev on April 09, 2021, 19:09:16 »sometimes you should close access to the techno library of samples)))
as a result, something new is born)))
Dmitry Jigalov - April - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mXTX-A0QKEKwXHNngmAsH6qv5zIk5C8h/view?usp=sharing (MP3)
as a result, something new is born)))
Dmitry Jigalov - April - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mXTX-A0QKEKwXHNngmAsH6qv5zIk5C8h/view?usp=sharing (MP3)
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Development Corner / Re: High-precision pitch offset command
« Last post by Saga Musix on April 08, 2021, 20:06:10 »OpenMPT 1.30.00.32 (soon available from https://builds.openmpt.org/builds/) implements a first version of this finetune command. In fact, there are two new commands:
The new commands should be mapped to = and Shift+= on US keyboards (+ and Shift++ on a German keyboard) by default, but can be reconfigured like all other non-letter commands in the keyboard config.
I've attached a module demonstrating the various possibilities. It should be said that until OpenMPT 1.30 is officially released, the exact behaviour of the command is not set in stone yet and may be tweaked according to the feedback in this thread.
- +xx immediately sets the finetune
- *xx slides to the new finetune value (intended for MIDI pitch wheel)
Code: [Select]
ModPlug Tracker MPT
| +80
| #03The second command is essentially a fractional extension to the first command, so you can read it as 80.03 (in hex). As a result, you can still achieve good precision even with a high pitch-wheel depth.The new commands should be mapped to = and Shift+= on US keyboards (+ and Shift++ on a German keyboard) by default, but can be reconfigured like all other non-letter commands in the keyboard config.
I've attached a module demonstrating the various possibilities. It should be said that until OpenMPT 1.30 is officially released, the exact behaviour of the command is not set in stone yet and may be tweaked according to the feedback in this thread.
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Free Music Downloads / Re: [industrial] - 05 - created in FastTracker2 - [ogg], [YouTube]
« Last post by LPChip on April 06, 2021, 07:13:32 »Thanks 
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Free Music Downloads / (EDM) Dance Planet (2021 Remix) (MP3)
« Last post by MellowNoiseKiev on April 06, 2021, 06:25:35 »To be honest, the track is just about nothing ...
I just decided to revive my old theme a little, under tons of dust)))
as a result, my favorite porridge came out - acid from psi-trance, synths with edm, and prescus in general from latinos)))
in general, it seems to be obeying normally ... but in my opinion something is missing (((
Dance Planet (2021 Remix) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n2vkCs_YSifhfDbxAlucmL-9Cm4_ccm_/view?usp=sharing (MP3)
I just decided to revive my old theme a little, under tons of dust)))
as a result, my favorite porridge came out - acid from psi-trance, synths with edm, and prescus in general from latinos)))
in general, it seems to be obeying normally ... but in my opinion something is missing (((
Dance Planet (2021 Remix) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n2vkCs_YSifhfDbxAlucmL-9Cm4_ccm_/view?usp=sharing (MP3)
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Free Music Downloads / Re: [industrial] - 05 - created in FastTracker2 - [YouTube]
« Last post by FT2 on April 06, 2021, 06:12:02 »Hello,
I've just added in first post.
I've just added in first post.
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Free Music Downloads / Re: [industrial] - 05 - created in FastTracker2 - [YouTube]
« Last post by LPChip on April 04, 2021, 20:59:54 »You posted this in "Free Music Downloads". Where's the download link?