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Offline phanoo

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[BUG] Last build : sample preview too loud
« on: March 04, 2014, 21:44:44 »
Since the last update the previewed samples from the left side (dls, sf2 banks, samples in default directories) are played very loud when i click on them. checking "No loud sample preview" in setup=>general doesnt affect anything. am i the only to have this problem?
« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 21:47:51 by phanoo »

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Re: [BUG] Last build : sample preview too loud
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2014, 22:21:33 »
Yes, sample preview is fixed at 0dB, i.e. the samples are played as loud as they would be in any other application.
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Re: [BUG] Last build : sample preview too loud
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2014, 22:46:23 »
Then the user should be allowed to set the preview volume. 0dB is REALLY TOO MUCH, it's the SATURATION LIMIT, all samples will play softer when used into the track.

Currently, if you set your speaker's volume to compose, you are forced to turn the volume down before previewing samples. It's quite irritating and i hope it will be fixed

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Re: [BUG] Last build : sample preview too loud
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2014, 23:03:19 »
The problem is, any other default would be completely arbitrary, so what would be a better solution? One approach could be to copy the currently edited module's sample pre-amp value over to the preview, but I'm not sure whether that's a smart thing to do. After all, this would mean that depending on which module you edit, the preview will have a different volume.
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Re: [BUG] Last build : sample preview too loud
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2014, 23:26:51 »
I dunno what default was used before but it was better (maybe half volume?). 0dB is also arbitrary... Just please add a preview volume slider somewhere in the options (or a value in an INI file).
but is it normal that checking "no loud sample preview" has no effect ?

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Re: [BUG] Last build : sample preview too loud
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2014, 23:30:12 »
0dB isn't arbitrary since it's a clearly defined value and pretty much implies that the original audio is left untouched. The old values, on the other hand, was completely arbitrary because I can't even tell you what it was - it was using an unspecified mix mode, an unspecified sample pre-amp and was thus completely random. The new behaviour has a clearly defined volume. As I said, it might be a good idea to base it on the currently edited module's volume, or it might be a bad idea. I'll just go after the general opinion if people think that would be a sensible solution (I personally prefer the 0dB preview at the moment).

By the way, please report bugs on the issue tracker the next time - the forums aren't supposed to be abused as a bug tracker anymore.
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Re: [BUG] Last build : sample preview too loud
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2014, 23:32:39 »
ok i'll check the bug tracker

How can you prefer the 0dB preview, since it is MUCH louder than the song you are currently working on ?

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Re: [BUG] Last build : sample preview too loud
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2014, 23:58:09 »
I generally have the pre-amp as loud as possible, i.e. just so loud that it doesn't clip. That means that my sample previews are about the same volume as the whole tune.
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Re: [BUG] Last build : sample preview too loud
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2014, 22:14:18 »
Here's a modified build where, as long as "no loud samples" is checked, the treeview preview is as loud as the sample editor preview of the last focussed module. http://sagagames.de/stuff/mptrack.exe
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Re: [BUG] Last build : sample preview too loud
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2014, 18:43:48 »
Thank you very much problem solved  ;)