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Volumes (CC 07) correspondances in Kontakt
« on: July 31, 2013, 22:57:31 »
Hi,


Maybe a silly question ;-)


I have noticed that when setting CC 07 to Z7F value for a Kontakt instrument, it corresponds to the mid of the total volume value of the Kontakt instrument.

Shouldn't it correspond to full value ? (since beyond 7F, there is no change)

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Re: Volumes (CC 07) correspondances in Kontakt
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2013, 01:04:39 »
Well, all I can say is that OpenMPT send bog-standard MIDI CCs. 7F is the maximum value of a MIDI CC. It's up to the synthesizer/plugin to translate this value into something sensible. So if Kontakt says that this value is half volume, you may want to ask the Kontakt people why that is the case. :) It could be a bug in Kontakt, after all.
You should be able to observe the same behaviour when sending MIDI CC 7 from an external MIDI controller to the plugin.
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Re: Volumes (CC 07) correspondances in Kontakt
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2013, 14:14:29 »
I bet they have a 2nd value to do the upper half, so they increase the resolution by a factor of two. (like CC08)

Or you have actually exceeeded the maximum value, and gives you a center. I've seen this happen. That the maximum was like 40 hex, and going above it would either ignore the value completely, or set a fixed value.
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Re: Volumes (CC 07) correspondances in Kontakt
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2013, 14:21:44 »
The standard would be to use CC07 for coarse volume adjustment and CC32 for finer adjustment. So if they use that second CC in another way, Kontakt is completely upside down. :)
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Re: Volumes (CC 07) correspondances in Kontakt
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2013, 16:05:50 »
The next I found while searching and although the topic is completely unrelated, the question about CC#7 is raised.

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 Anyway, I've got another problem and I still don't know how it can be solved.

 In what Reaper calls "raw mode", the range of CC#7 goes from 0 to 127.
 On its maximum value (e.g. 127), the Kontakt instrument's volume is set to -6dB only (its maximum value is 12dB) ; and on a half level of the CC#7 control (e.g. 63), the Kontakt instrument's volume is set to only... -24.2dB !

 What I would like to do of course, is to make the min CC#7 value match the min volume level into Kontakt, and that the max CC#7 value match the max volume level into Lontakt, so that I can adjust my settings in the whole range of possible values..

A reply states:

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have a look at the settings on the Instrument Options > Controller tab. (section 6.1.3 in the Kontakt manual)

and then the person who had the problem responds:

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Thanx a lot !
 As a matter of fact, the "MIDI controller #7 (volume) range" option is precisely here for it...

 By the way, the section is not 6.1.3 but 7.1.3
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Re: Volumes (CC 07) correspondances in Kontakt
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2013, 20:37:36 »
Ah, that makes sense. :)
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Re: Volumes (CC 07) correspondances in Kontakt
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2013, 03:08:32 »
Indeed...