.42 Confusion over record state

Squirrel Havoc · April 15, 2006, 09:52:39

Maybe this is some kind of new feature I didn't understand. Anyway:

On a song, I select some data from a column, right click and go to "Copy". Then put the cursor in another column and right click and hit "Paste", but nothing happens. So I Shift+Ins to paste it, nothing happens, so I Ctrl+V to paste and still nothing happens.

I tried it on a few songs, but it was the same. Mix paste or hitting Space doesn't do anything either.

Is this a bug?

Relabsoluness · April 15, 2006, 12:11:23

Are you sure that 'record' was enabled?

fisk0 · April 15, 2006, 12:17:55

Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"I tried it on a few songs, but it was the same. Mix paste or hitting Space doesn't do anything either.

Is this a bug?

To me, it seems like the default key for enabling/disabling Record has been changed from Space to something else.
That's why Space doesn't do anything (and possibly why you can't do anything).

Squirrel Havoc · April 15, 2006, 12:20:17

You know, it seems to me that if a setting is keeping you from doing something, there should be a warning (maybe in the status bar) that lets you know why you can't do it. Record was disabled, I was about to report that drag & drop didnt work either, but enabling record fixed that too.

Thanks guys

Relabsoluness · April 15, 2006, 13:10:25

Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"You know, it seems to me that if a setting is keeping you from doing something, there should be a warning (maybe in the status bar) that lets you know why you can't do it.

I agree. For example when I tested Renoise I had a problem that I couldn't enter notes - only after battling with it way too long, I noticed that record was off(hopefully anyone testing ompt won't have the same problem

). And even though I now know what is likely the cause if for example paste doesn't work, I occasionally have those short moments of wonderment: "Hey, why didn't anything happen?"

fisk0 · April 15, 2006, 13:18:28

I think Record should be enabled by default.
If you create a new song you'll probably want to enter some notes into it.
There can't be many people that prefer creating new projects just to watch empty patterns?

speed-goddamn-focus · April 15, 2006, 13:57:33

Quote from: "fisk0"I think Record should be enabled by default.
If you create a new song you'll probably want to enter some notes into it.
There can't be many people that prefer creating new projects just to watch empty patterns?

I think it was until someone requested the state to be saved.

fisk0 · April 15, 2006, 14:41:38

Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"I think it was until someone requested the state to be saved.

Strange, I always set Record to enabled, but still it is always disabled when i start the program again later.

speed-goddamn-focus · April 15, 2006, 14:45:26

Quote from: "fisk0"
Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"I think it was until someone requested the state to be saved.

Strange, I always set Record to enabled, but still it is always disabled when i start the program again later.

Then I guess I was wrong!

EDIT: That feature was supposedly introduced with build 1.17.02.41, but I'm unable o check whether it's working or not right now. On earlier builds the default state is record=on.

LPChip · April 15, 2006, 16:00:50

There doesn't seem to be a bug with copy or pasting, so I'm closing it as being a bug. Perhaps we can change it to another bug or so. Rewbs, I leave that to you.

Closing this one unless Rewbs or anyone else things it should be otherwise. (you can still post)

Diamond · April 16, 2006, 01:04:43

Rewbs, maybe you should just make it an option in the general preferences whether to have record enabled or disabled by default instead of having the state saved in the INI file. This should satisfy everyone and is more flexible.

rewbs · April 16, 2006, 01:31:03

Quote from: "fisk0"To me, it seems like the default key for enabling/disabling Record has been changed from Space to something else.
That's why Space doesn't do anything (and possibly why you can't do anything).

Check your key config. It's under pattern editor general, and is erroneously called Enable Recording (should be toggle recording).

rewbs · April 16, 2006, 01:37:36

Quote from: "fisk0"
Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"I think it was until someone requested the state to be saved.

Strange, I always set Record to enabled, but still it is always disabled when i start the program again later.

Check your ini file...
. If you have Record=1 under [Pattern Editor] and the first loaded/opened song still has record off by default, or
. If you enable recording, close OpenMPT, and you still don't have Record=1 in your ini file
then there's a bug.

It works over here though.

rewbs · April 16, 2006, 01:40:44

Quote from: "fisk0"I think Record should be enabled by default.
If you create a new song you'll probably want to enter some notes into it.
There can't be many people that prefer creating new projects just to watch empty patterns?

If no value is found for the record status in the ini file, it will default to enabled. First time users should have recording enabled.

rewbs · April 16, 2006, 01:47:32

Quote from: "Diamond"Rewbs, maybe you should just make it an option in the general preferences whether to have record enabled or disabled by default instead of having the state saved in the INI file. This should satisfy everyone and is more flexible.

General settings are saved to the INI file too.

Currently, when you create/load a song, the record status for that song will be the last one you set. This seems pretty sensible and intuitive to me (and mimics the behaviour of the channel VU meters presented in the same toolbar), but apparently it's causing confusion (or maybe it's broken and somehow it's only working properly for me). If you all feel it would be more intuitive if a fixed record status (configurable in the general settings) was used for new and loaded songs, rather than remembering the last status you set, I can do that...