Started by nobuyuki, April 24, 2010, 16:06:02
Quote from: "psishock"VSTs.... well for starters you cannot use standardized tracker effects for them, every synth ha its own set of controls for midicc, no way we can "assume" how did the developer built his own VST.
Quote from: "Jojo"The number of VSTis using a wrong MIDI CC can be neglected. And whoever doesn't comply to those standards is just dumb and should not write VST plugins in the first place. All plugins I somehow wanted to pitchbend worked properly.
QuoteMy primary interest is in seeing the experience of Modplug Tracker extended to the modern era without inconsistencies and anachronisms
Quote from: "psishock"that's why i've asked, are you trying to do heavy VST work, or just basics. The tracker fx are laughably incompetent for more interesting purposes
Quote from: "psishock"Jxy = arpeggio, VSTis have a lot more sophisticated and advanced arp systems, that you can setup and control in detail. Tracker version is primitive yes.
QuoteMxy = every channel has a master volume that can be automated with a click, and the master output has a master volume bar too. No problem here on either side.
QuoteNo, not it we're talking about channel volume here. If Mxx would just mean that all note volumes are multiplied by a factor, then it could be done in the same way with a vst. But if you assign several volume-controlled channels to the same vst, this is not possible, because a vst just has one master volume, whereas a sample has as many master volumes as there are channels.
QuoteAlso, you cannot simply turn off a synth's arpeggio as you can with Jxx (where you just don't write out the effect anymore) - ooooooooh right, you can automate it, but that's just a crappy workaround.
QuoteIf you count LFOs as VSTs, well, ok, but using an LFO to control a VST parameter is not possible in OpenMPT.
Quote from: "psishock"a person who is experienced with his synth and arps will set it up, as fast too, in this simple form.
QuoteTrust me, a simple arp command with total control of 2 is reeeealy primitive, there are so much more possibility.
QuoteWell good arguing point . I think too, that you shouldnt blame the incompetence of OMPT, against the standardized MIDI/VST system.
Quotethere is nothing faster than typing "J37".
QuoteMaybe I sometimes want a simple, "primitive" command instead of 1000 features? Every thought of that? This command is perfect for that. For everything else (like an arpeggiated bassine) I can still use direct notes or a synth's arpeggio.
QuoteWell, sir, we're talking about whether OpenMPT should support the commands that you call "primitive" with VSTs as well or not. I don't care if you have LFOs and stuff in buzz, renoise or somewhere else, that is besides the point.