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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2019, 19:43:25 »
Still, if Scream Tracker 3 doesn't have OPL3 support, why did you give OpenMPT OPL3 support in the first place rather than just stopping at OPL2?
Simply put: Why would I go and rip out the OPL3 parts of the OPL3 emulator, especially since MPTM can use some OPL3 features? You cannot think of S3M and MPTM implementations are two separate things in the OpenMPT code - 99% of the implementation is shared, so there is no simple "just use OPL2 features and throw away all OPL3 features" thing in the code. However, your complaints have been successful, in the next OpenMPT version you won't be able to use the extra OPL3 waveforms in S3M files, even though it makes the code more complex.
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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2019, 19:45:01 »
That's probably going to break my example song then... Can you save it as mptm format and include it like that then? Unless you make it so that one can choose... :P
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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2019, 19:45:30 »
No, it's not going to break existing songs, you just cannot use it in new songs anymore.
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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2019, 19:48:29 »
Ah, that's great. :)
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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2019, 20:13:56 »
However, your complaints have been successful, in the next OpenMPT version you won't be able to use the extra OPL3 waveforms in S3M files, even though it makes the code more complex.

I'm okay with the S3M extensions, I was just curious. For compatibility, that's what we've Compatibility Export for.

Also, this move would've actually broken compatibility with OpenMPT-extended S3Ms using OPL3 waveforms if you weren't as careful as you were.

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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2019, 20:15:09 »
As I already wrote in reply to LPChip: No, it won't break existing songs. When removing non-standard features, I always make sure that they can still be used with legacy files.
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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2019, 20:16:31 »
As I already wrote in reply to LPChip: No, it won't break existing songs. When removing non-standard features, I always make sure that they can still be used with legacy files.
Yeah, I posted without reading, but I did edit it accordingly. That was fast, though.

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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2019, 05:39:54 »
Well I guess if the OPL3 specific stuff is locked out of S3M but still able to be saved with MTPM, that is the way it "should" be I guess :)  Very cool.

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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2019, 14:24:46 »
R.I.P. The Ability To Make FM-Extended S3Ms
2018-2019

Right when I was just experimenting with ya.
I will never forget the fun I had.


Yes, I did not upgrade OpenMPT, and yes, I can just make MPTMs. I'm waiting until 4-op support is added first.

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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2019, 02:04:39 »
I'm waiting until 4-op support is added first.

So... 4-op instruments isn't supported in OpenMPT yet, even though the emulated OPL3 is there?

Well, guess I had to go back to AT2 for 4-op experimentations. Never liked the keyboard only interface on that tracker, tbh  :-\
But still, OpenMPT already solved my needs for 2-op experimentations.

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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2019, 11:23:13 »
Don't give up your hope yet, Saga is planning to implement full OPL3 at some point

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Re: The new FM support is awesome!!
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2019, 16:07:28 »
OPL3 support is about more than just adding two more operators to the GUI, so it will take some more design in particular on how to handle the extra modulation possibilities with those other operators.
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