GAME: How much do you know about the poster?

[LPChip]

B? BTW, is that supposed to be Within? I am just curious. Whitin looks kind of weird.

Ah, you're right. Its supposed to be within

But you are even more right, cus B is the correct answer.

To explain.

A: Wicked Defense, I was helping with that game, solely in making music
C: Knytt Stories, I was helping with that game, by making a story. Althoguh its still in beta stage, and I still work on it, I didn't made the engine for KS.
D: Operator Status 2, this is actually just an extra answer

B: Based on a topic on the Nifflas Support Forum, I got the idea to try out a program called DarkBasic. It basically allows you to make a 3D game using simple basic. I was trying to see if I could do it, and ended up being busy creating something that could become WaDF3D.

[Relabsoluness]

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[Really Weird Person]

Here is a trick question (maybe not for all of you though).

Which of these Shift/Num Lock off functions are found on a Mac keyboard's num 0 key?

1. Help
2. Insert
3. End
4. None of the above

[SoundCrafter]

4.

It's bloody division!

LOL! Division by 0! HAHA!

[Really Weird Person]

What did I tell you? It will probably not be tricky for all of you and I was right! That is the correct answer, SoundCrafter!
1. The Help key is the Mac's version of Windows' Insert (posisionwise on the keyboard)!
2. The Insert key is only on Windows and Windows/Macintosh keyboards! Also Insert is on the 0, but only on Windows and Windows/Macintosh keyboards!
3. The End key exists on Macintosh keyboards, but not on their num pads. You would need a Windows keyboard for the 1 - Num Lock = End thing!

Some Layout Information for you:

Windows:

Row 1:
Escape
F1
F2
F3
F4
F5
F6
F7
F8
F9
F10
F11
F12
Print Screen/System Requests
Scroll Lock
Pause/Break

Row 2:
Grave Accent/Tilde
1/Exclamation Mark
2/At Sign
3/Number Sign
4/Dollar Sign
5/Percent Sign
6/Circumflex Accent
7/Ampersand
8/Asterisk
9/Left Parenthesis
0/Right Parenthesis
Hyphen/Underscore
Equals Sign/Plus
Backspace
Insert
Home
Page Up
Num Lock
Numpad Slash
Numpad Asterisk
Numpad Hyphen

Row 3:
Tab (may be used with Shift to move backwards)
Q
W
E
R
T
Y
U
I
O
P
Left Bracket/Left Brace
Right Bracket/Right Brace
Backslash/Vertical Line
Delete
End
Page Down
Numpad 7/Numpad Home
Numpad 8/Numpad Up Arrow
Numpad 9/Numpad Page Up
Numpad Plus (the starting of the key)

Row 4:
Caps Lock
A
S
D
F
G
H
J
K
L
Semicolon/Colon
Apostrophe/Quotation Marks
Enter
Numpad 4/Numpad Left Arrow
Numpad 5 (Vista calls this key "Clear" when Num Lock is off)
Numpad 6/Numpad Right Arrow
Numpad Plus (the rest of the key)

Row 5:
Left Shift
Z
X
C
V
B
N
M
Comma/Less-than Sign
Period/Greater-than Sign
Slash/Question Mark
Right Shift
Up Arrow
Numpad 1/Numpad End
Numpad 2/Numpad Down Arrow
Numpad 3/Numpad Page Down
Numpad Enter (the starting of the key)

Row 6:
Left Control
Left Start (Vista calls the "Start" keys "Windows"
Left Alt
Space Bar
Right Alt
Right Start
Right-click (Vista calls this key "Applications")
Right Control
Left Arrow
Down Arrow
Right Arrow
Numpad 0/Numpad Insert
Numpad Period/Numpad Delete
Numpad Enter (the rest of the key)

Macintosh:

Row 1:
Escape
F1
F2
F3
F4
F5
F6
F7
F8
F9
F10
F11
F12
F13
F14
F15

Row 2:
Grave Accent/Tilde
1/Exclamation Mark
2/At Sign
3/Number Sign
4/Dollar Sign
5/Percent Sign
6/Circumflex Accent
7/Ampersand
8/Asterisk
9/Left Parenthesis
0/Right Parenthesis
Hyphen/Underscore
Equals Sign/Plus
Delete (acts like Windows' Backspace)
Help
Home
Page Up
Num Lock/Clear
Numpad Asterisk
Numpad Slash
(I am not totally sure if those two are in the correct order.)
Numpad Hyphen

Row 3:
Tab (cannot be used with Shift to move backwards)
Q
W
E
R
T
Y
U
I
O
P
Left Bracket/Left Brace
Right Bracket/Right Brace
Backslash/Vertical Line
Delete (acts like Windows' Delete)
End
Page Down
Numpad 7
Numpad 8
Numpad 9
Numpad Plus (the starting of the key)

Row 4:
Caps Lock
A
S
D
F
G
H
J
K
L
Semicolon/Colon
Apostrophe/Quotation Marks
Return
Numpad 4
Numpad 5
Numpad 6
Numpad Plus (the rest of the key)

Row 5:
Left Shift
Z
X
C
V
B
N
M
Comma/Less-than Sign
Period/Greater-than Sign
Slash/Question Mark
Right Shift
Up Arrow
Numpad 1
Numpad 2
Numpad 3
Numpad Enter (the starting of the key)

Row 6:
Left Apple
Left Alt/Option
Left Control
Space Bar
Right Apple
Right Alt/Option
Right Control
Left Arrow
Down Arrow
Right Arrow
Numpad 0
Numpad Period
Numpad Enter (the rest of the key)

I am not 100% sure on the Macintosh keys' placements, but I am much more confident in their names and the Windows keys' names and positions (perhaps because I use Windows and periodically make Windows keyboards with Word and Outlook).

[älskling]

Thank you for the layout information. It was very informative.

[Really Weird Person]

You are welcome. To go with the layout information, I have something that I would like to show you that is rather funny I think.

Do you know what would be weird?

Using a Windows based keyboard on a Macintosh run computer and it exploding because you used a key that Mac OS does not like (such as Insert, the numpad's secondary functions (End, ↓, Page Down, ←, →...), or Print Screen. The sequence may be like this.
You:    I would like to save a copy of that please, Print Screen
Mac OS:         Print Screen? What is that? Ssssssss (smoke coming out the top of the computer)
Mac OS:         Kaboom! (the Mac exploding)
You:    One down, two to go!
,
You:    I would like to go home. Oh, crap, my Home key is broken. OK, let's turn Num Lock off here...There we go! 7 (Home)
Mac OS:         Home on the num pad? I have no such thing! I will return you home! (The Mac explodes and sends you flying to your house and you wake up the next day as though you were just sedated at the doctor's office.)
You:    What the crap just happened? Oh, my Mac exploded! Oh, crap! Oh, well! Two down, one to go!
, or
You:    I would like to insert this picture into this document. Do not fear, Insert is here! (You press the Insert key to paste the picture.)
Mac OS:         What the crap? I have a key called Help, not Insert, thank you! That is what Apple-V and the mouse are for!
You:    Well, Mac OS, learn to deal with my Insert, OK?
Mac OS:         Fine, then, I will insert that picture for you! (Waterfall sound)
Mac OS:         There, inserted! Are you happy now?
You:    No! You just peed my carpet! You malevolent computer! You should have just accepted my Insert and you would not have died! Oh, well, one down, zero to go!

Or the reverse

You:    I would like to open my Start menu, please. (You press the Apple key, thinking that your Start menu will open because your keyboard lacks a Windows key.)
Windows:      Apple? What kind of key is that? (Windows closes all of your open programs.)
You:    What was that for? I will now confiscate your C: partition to shut you down! (You format the C drive, Windows responds, and you are not pleased. Here is Windows' response.)
Windows:      What was THAT for? As a result of that, here you go! (Windows gives you the Blue Screen of Death.)
You:    Geez, Windows, you did not have to give me the Blue Screen of Death!
Windows:      You, however, did not have to format the C: partition either!
You:    I see, I will put an end to this now! (You open the computer's case and scratch your hard drive with a thorny plant and it explodes. Your computer happens to be right next to the hard drive, so it also explodes. You get sent flying into outer smacintosh.) (Smacintosh = space + Macintosh)
You:    One down, four to go!
,
You:    I need some help on how to use this program! (You press the Help key because you are afraid of what might happen if you press F1.)
Windows:      Help? I have never seen a key like that before. I have reserved the F1 key for help and where you have the Help key (whatever that is), I have an Insert key on my keyboards!
You:    Oh, thank you for the F1 tip, Windows! (You accidentally press Alt-F4, then Enter and your computer shuts down!)
You:    Ugh! I pressed F1, just like Windows said, but my computer shut down! I did not know that Windows was a liar!
Windows:      I was not born to lie (that I am aware of anyway). The reason that your F1 key did what it did is because you did not press F1, you pressed Alt-F4, which I have reserved for exiting programs (including myself!)
You:    I did not press any Alt-anythings! I pressed F1!!!!!!
Windows:      I am sorry, but I do not provide the help dialogue when Alt-F4 is pressed!
You:    Fine, then, here is ALT-EXPLODE! (You pull the pin on a hand grenade and place it inside the computer. You forget to leave the room, hold the Alt key down on your keyboard, the grenade explodes, and you are sent to outer swindows.) (Swindows = space + Windows)
You:    Two down, three to go!
,
You:    I need a Euro sign in this Word document here. Let's see here, Option-E, there we go that should have worked. Waa, it didn't! Ugh! Maybe the computer just did not respond! Option...(You receive the Blue Screen of Death.) Holy crap! All I did was press Option-E!
Windows:      Option? On a keyboard? You have never used me, have you?
You:    For your information, Windows, yes I have!
Windows:      You sure do not act like you have used me before! I bet that the reason that you pressed Option is because you are Windows illiterate and a communist fool!
You:    I am no fool, Windows! I will prove it right now! (You hack into the BIOS and mess everything up.)
Windows:      Ha-ha! Apparently, you are a fool because you just changed the boot sequence so that I boot from a non-existing floppy first!
You:    I will show you a fool, Windows! (You press F12 hoping that you can make Windows shut down.)
You:    Hey, Windows! How come you did not shut down just then?
Windows:      You pressed F12, my friend. I do not shut down by you pressing F12, you can use Control-Alt-Delete to do that if I am not behaving the way you want me to.
You:    OK, I will try that, malevolent Windows. (You accidently highlight one of your programs and permanently delete it by pressing Shift-Delete.)
You:    Windows lied again! Stupid Windows!
Windows:      I did not lie; you pressed Shift-Delete, not Control-Alt-Delete. I prefer the term false advertiser, not malevolent.
You:    Ugh! Here is CONTROL-ALT-SHIFT-EXPLODE! (You pour 409 on your hard drive and it, as well as the computer explodes and you are sent flying to the other side of your house!)
You:    Three down, two to go!
You:    I need to find something on my computer, so I will right-click Start and open Explorer. (You hold down your mouse button on the Start button then click Explore.)
Windows:      A mouse with only one button? Get that out of my face NOW!
You:    And why should I do that, Windows? You should learn how to deal with foreign hardware!
Windows:      I do know how to deal with most foreign hardware, however, I refuse to accept that mouse of yours!
You:    Fine then, I will end your acceptance of hardware from this day, henceforth! (You place a timed mine inside the case of the computer, it explodes, but you are silly and stand next to the computer the whole time. The mine explodes, as well as the computer. You end up on the clear other side of your house.)
You:    Four down, one to go!
, or
You:    I need to type many numbers into this spreadsheet here. I think that it may be easier to do with the num pad. Oh, crap! Num Lock is off! No big deal, I can still type numbers anyway!
Windows:      Oops! I am sorry, but I reformatted your num pad to suit my needs. When you just pressed 1, I made you go to the end of the row instead of inserting a one!
You:    That's it! I am tired of you laughing at me and reformatting my hardware! GOOD BYE, WINDOWS! (You pour gasoline into the heat sinks and the computer overheats and explodes. You get fried by the explosion and end up in Strongbadia to live with Strong Bad and the other Homestar Runner related characters.
Windows and Mac OS together (as ghosts):       We will not tolerate this humiliation!
You:    Well, deal with it, untrustworthy operating systems! You should learn to get along with each other better and accept the opposite hardware! (You throw a ghomb (the combination of ghost and bomb) at the computers and they (as well as The Cheat) explode. The Cheat recovers (very disappointed at the fact that he had just exploded), but the computers do not come back again.
You:    Whew! At least I am through with those treacherous computers!

What do you think of the play-like weirdness? It would make an even more interesting movie!

10:  It is the best I have ever heard!
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1:  Man, you sure are stupid! Your creativity is the worst I have ever heard since the time at which I had to do the Five-paragraph Essay in school!

[älskling]

I think 10 out of 10. I wish I could have a more interesting conversation with my computers. There are more options in life than Yes, Yes to all, No, No to all, OK, Cancel, Apply, Abort, Retry, Fail and Overwrite.

EDIT: But you might want to start a new topic for crazytalk

[älskling]

[off topic]For example if someone wrote a great open-source sound-related library, whose code can be used without restrictions but is not allowed to be distributed without permission, doesn't it mean that OpenMPT might not able to use it? If so, GPL licence can restrict OpenMPT from using code that is allowed to be used freely without permission in any project(not to mention 'non-free' code). I just don't like that.
[/off topic]

[off topic]But what if OpenMPT was not restricted by GPL, and someone wrote a GPL sound-related library? Would be kind of the same situation... Except for non-free code. So I suppose I agree as long as we live in a world were not everything is GPL.

[/off topic]

[SoundCrafter]

I didn't read it all, RWP. =P

UM:

Which is the correct answer?

A. I love her
B. Not this one
C. Ok, um, you cheated.
D. Any combination of 2 of the previous 3 answers (specify)

[Really Weird Person]

I do not understand the question, so I am going to guess that the correct answer is C. Um, you cheated.

[älskling]

B. Not this one.

[LPChip]

A? (whoever she is? )

[SoundCrafter]

Ooh, so sorry/...but NONE of those are correct! (well, alone, anyway.)

[dBlues]

So any work based on GPL code must be released under GPL if released at all. And in my opinion this is rather horrible. For example if someone wrote a great open-source sound-related library, whose code can be used without restrictions but is not allowed to be distributed without permission...

Moved discussion here: http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?msg=13958.0#msg13958