New modplug player??

Started by bully34, July 23, 2009, 02:56:17

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bully34

July 23, 2009, 02:56:17
So, when are you guys going to release a new Modplug Player? You haven't released one since 2001. Just askin'  :wink:

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Saga Musix

#1
July 23, 2009, 07:49:43
Has nothing to do with OpenMPT development, so I move it to the general chatter.
Short answer: ModPlug Player is still closed source, so we can't do anything about it. Even if we got the code, I wouldn't want to continue working on it, rewriting it from scratch would be a better idea. BTW: A much better Mod Player which also handles SID tunes, MP3s, OGGs, and so on is XMPlay.
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Louigi Verona

#2
July 23, 2009, 09:35:25
Why is MPP closed?!

LPChip

#3
July 23, 2009, 09:53:42
Quote from: "Louigi Verona"Why is MPP closed?!

Oliver never made it Open Source.
"Heh, maybe I should've joined the compo only because it would've meant I wouldn't have had to worry about a damn EQ or compressor for a change. " - Atlantis
"yes.. I think in this case it was wishful thinking: MPT is makng my life hard so it must be wrong" - Rewbs

Louigi Verona

#4
July 23, 2009, 12:04:05
Maybe noone asked him?

Nahkranoth

#5
July 23, 2009, 12:11:39
Why should someone ask him if there are much better players (the ugly as hell XMPlay and my precious Foobar :wink: ) that play almost everything, even such things like Playstation, Dreamcast, Nintendo64, Atari, SID, and almost every possible Adlib tunes!!!

Saga Musix

#6
July 23, 2009, 13:23:51
XMPlay has nice skins (like Neutron) and it has by far the best module reproduction.
And I'm pretty sure Olivier has been asked several times before.
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Louigi Verona

#7
July 23, 2009, 14:42:16
Hm. I am just puzzled why he wouldn't release MPP as well %)
And, tbh, in my mind there is a stereotype that MPP plays mod files more accurately than any other player. Perhaps this stereotype is wrong. XMPlay uses BASS library.

Saga Musix

#8
July 23, 2009, 15:09:53
As MPP is based on libmodplug (and it's not even based on the same as the last closed-source MPT), it plays many modules wrong. OpenMPT's playback code is very accurate when it comes to IT playback, but especially XM compatibility is not perfect yet. XMPlay on the other hand is very accurate, just like anything that uses BASS. And it's still constantly being updated.
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g

#9
July 23, 2009, 16:51:37
If my memory serves me correctly it was indeed asked and Olivier replied something along the lines of the code being pretty much the same. That probably doesn't make any sense (even tho I'm like 68% sure), but neither does making back-ups of forums up so that information isn't lost forever. Apparently ;)

Saga Musix

#10
July 23, 2009, 16:56:55
If you ever had a look at the MPT sourcecode, you'd see that great portions of the soundlib have parts that only compile when it would be used by modplug tracker and parts that would only be compiled when you would compile modplug player. The "only" difference is the GUI and the two modules mixer.
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Louigi Verona

#11
July 24, 2009, 05:00:57
Thanks for the info, guys. You say that the IT playback is very accurate in MPP. Mostly I listened to IT files.

When you say XM playback is not accurate - what do you mean? What is the character of inaccuracies?

Saga Musix

#12
July 24, 2009, 12:17:21
No, IT playback is not accurate in MPP either - it is in OpenMPT.
Just look at this table, libmodplug is MPT 1.16 / MPP:
http://eval.sovietrussia.org/wiki/Player_abuse_tests
(Most of the stuff that's marked red in the OpenMPT column is fixed already...)

I know that FT2 has even more quirks than IT, so I can't really say what's playing wrong apart from the stuff that I've fixed. For example, Kxx has never been interpreted correctly until recently. Some FT2/MilkyTracker fanboy could show you many incompatibilites I'm sure, and that's mostly because MPT's focus is not on XM modules, I'd say.
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Louigi Verona

#13
July 24, 2009, 12:26:45
Interesting reading! Very interesting.

Rakib

#14
July 24, 2009, 12:50:51
Quote from: "Jojo"No, IT playback is not accurate in MPP either - it is in OpenMPT.
Just look at this table, libmodplug is MPT 1.16 / MPP:
http://eval.sovietrussia.org/wiki/Player_abuse_tests
(Most of the stuff that's marked red in the OpenMPT column is fixed already...)

For reference, the above results were tested with:

   * Schism Tracker Hg 2009-07-20
   * Chibi Tracker 1.3
   * OpenMPT 1.17.02.54
   * libmodplug 0.8.7 (Linux GStreamer plugin)
   * XMPlay 3.4
   * BASSMOD 2.0-Linux
   * DUMB 0.9.3
   * Open Cubic Player 0.1.16
   * MikMod 3.2.2-beta1
   * MikIT 1.00-Linux
   * XMP 2.7.1
   * FMOD Ex 4.24.07
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