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« on: February 16, 2009, 04:26:59 »
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Been working on another song when I suddenly made this main theme melody so I paused the other one and started with this one. Will maybe add some more effects and change the build ups and transitions at a later stage.


http://nxjthw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pqt7m8g-hPVrLjC_G5CFsmZleAFnuVR1VTZgyi14UMl0ajCg0T2IXSQ1DiL4Ro3u7JTMbe1t5IqA/ggf.mp3?download
The download link said sometimes server full, but try it several times and it should work
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2009, 17:14:47 »
the theme is a very nice uplifting, heroic melody.

the rest seems to be very trance.

Have you (or anyone) ever developed a melody instead of just restating it?

myself - I'd strip away the beat and regular trance stuff and make an orchestral version of the theme. The theme is really great, but in my non-trance fan point of view  - the theme is trapped within this frame work and can't grow - well at least what I can hear in my head with horns and tympani etc. etc. that would make it perfect for a climax in a movie or game.

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2009, 17:46:51 »
Do you mean more like this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe0lrdD6tdA

Or just completly remove the trance stuff and just have  the orchestral version. (If you want to hear the orchestral version of that song, search for the director's cut mix)
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2009, 21:52:05 »
just the orchestra - but this is all my personal opinion - and its based on that great theme you created.

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2009, 23:32:44 »
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Have you (or anyone) ever developed a melody instead of just restating it?.....the theme is trapped within this frame work and can't grow....

Of course, but that isn't a point in classical meaning of the "trance". In trance you have simpler forms of melodies, and it's more repetitive. The work progression is something like cutting the "best parts" of the developed melodies that can be looped and coloring them with other technical elements over the song. Simpler loops can be more easier to the brain to listen, and easier to dance, some ever-changing melodies and changing rhythm would make these stuff harder. Although, as you've said, nice ideas and melodies can be transferred to other genres that "allows" developing them more.

Rakib: now this one sounds like a proper, banging melodic trance. ^^
00:42 what's this? a naked saw wave? :D i'm sure you could find something more complex sounding, it's too retro for the song. The main melody is cool as it can be, the song is nicely arranged and developed. Changing some buildups and adding more transitions sounds good to me, any variation that keep the ears busy from repetitions are welcome to me. :D
Hmmm, also what about sidechaining? You've experimented with it not so long ago, but i can't hear the implementation in any of your recent songs. ::)
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2009, 23:35:05 »
Sorry, I'll wait until it has a title.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2009, 23:37:15 »
It's more or less a finished tune Sam. Titles are "necessary bother" to me anyway, i'm having a trouble to name my works most of the time.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2009, 23:47:34 »
I understand. But right if a song is finished, it deserves a title, I'm quite strict in this. I don't like stuff like 'opus 58'.
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2009, 00:06:24 »
Some comments:

Psi: Yes, it is allmost a clean saw with delay. But because of your comment I hear now that the phazer effect is missing when I saved the song as mp3. I have reported the bug here
http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2881.0

For other effects, I have uploaded some compressors and sidechaining in the song but haven't applied them, it's just beeing bypassed, I am not a sound engineer and it's hard to find the right thing to adjust.

But for some of the strings I have run it trough a gater, simulating the sidecompression effect, maybe I should make the effect much stronger. I guess you can't hear it like this song, where the effects are very loud and clear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CC0pgmqEqQ

Sam: For you I'll make up a name for the song. :)
Just need some inspiration first.

uncloned: Thanks for a great idea, I'll search the internet for some orchestral instruments and try to make a orchestralmix of the song.
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 01:05:32 »
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I guess you can't hear it like this song, where the effects are very loud and clear.

"this" song? :D It's one of the songs, of Mike Foyle, his one of the greatest melodic trance producers in the word (together with Daniel Kandy, Andy Moor, Above & Beyond and the rest). :D Pandora is more than awesome, but imo Shipwrecked was his best work 'till now it was a huge influence on me in 2006, i will never forget that melody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQlipIDmgf8&fmt=18

as for making the effect stronger, yep, it could make things better, but the Pandora (Blizzard mix) is a different type of style than yours, you shouldn't overdo as much as they did imo.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 01:16:49 »
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I understand. But right if a song is finished, it deserves a title, I'm quite strict in this. I don't like stuff like 'opus 58'.


Hmmm daily20090213 must really appeal to you  :lol:

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2009, 01:28:26 »
Rakid,

If you can provide a midi I can run it through Garritan Personal Orchestra for you - no problem.

Or if an MPT file that Barry would be best to help.

Psi

Repetition - it would be nice if someone could develop the genre to accomplish what you want with more development. I have heard trance (like yours) that does develop though often in sounds or added melodic fragments. If you can magine that perhaps crafting a melody into a series of :hooks: could accomplish this.

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2009, 01:41:42 »
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Yep, you got me there.

So I'll accept 'ggf'.
So I enjoyed. To be honest, I already find this having a quite clear 'orchestral' sound.
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2009, 02:23:44 »
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it would be nice if someone could develop the genre to accomplish what you want with more development. I have heard trance (like yours) that does develop though often in sounds or added melodic fragments. If you can magine that perhaps crafting a melody into a series of :hooks: could accomplish this.

Sounds like a plan. :D
I've already had some similar projects about the same issue, but they are resting in suspension currently, i've worked out some various series of melodies that were hooked together, but ran out of variation ideas after some point.
Speaking of the devil, could you link me some examples (any genre....well, except free jazz i guess :P) that are "developed enough" for you? It would be a good idea to study them, i could come out with some decisions.
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2009, 02:50:01 »
Well, I'm pretty extreme with what I write...

Debussy is good:

http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2755.0

Britten is even better, this whole piece is built on variations of a fragment of a piece written in the 1600's by John Dowland and the development is weird - it starts out with extreme variations and develops towards the original as its climax. The composer does this for 17 minutes.

http://clones.soonlabel.com/mp3/britten-nocturnal-rg.mp3

The last 7 minutes or so of the Britten piece is most instructive (and accessible) as you can hear the theme clearly. Here Julian Bream plays it on classical guitar (it was written for guitar).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJETmCQI2fA


Bela Bartok

http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2822.0

And the only one of mine I'd suggest for melodic development:

http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2448.0