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#51
Free Music Downloads / Re: [pop/techno] bobojon (mptm...
Last post by Exhale - March 26, 2024, 17:49:44Quote from: n0cturn on March 26, 2024, 17:30:12I don't know if I'm missing something, but why not have the sample embedded in the module? surely that's the easiest way, and of course you wont loose part of it when inevitable the files get separated and lost. Only advantage I can see is if you were making loads of modules using the same samples.one word, compression.
At the quality of the ogg, if it were embedded into the mptm, the mptm would be over a meg big and unable to fit in the attachments on this webpage.
I sing, so I wanted a method to get some quality for singing samples, even if it means using compression, into files I post here - this is a game changer for me, and I will now hopefully be including singing for many of my tunes from now on on these forums.
Basically compression opens the possibility of me using my voice as a part of tracks and still posting them on the forums here - and gives me the capacity to use compression for higher overall quality of samples in general. Idk why compression seems to be treated like a dirty word for a lot of musicians, but in my book it is a great toy to play with. You can only get so far by reducing the bitrate of samples which is a destructive process anyways - and vocals in a tune needs loads of data...
Open the file and look in the mptm at the comments tab, you will see that the ogg uncompressed and inside ompt is over a meg. I tried taking it down to 8 bit and reducing the hz to 8000, and that also got it down to 500k for the sample, but... well it sounded like absolute shit. Compression is simply the only way to include singing that sounds at least somewhat reasonable in an attachment tune.
#52
Free Music Downloads / Re: [pop/techno] bobojon (mptm...
Last post by n0cturn - March 26, 2024, 17:30:12I don't know if I'm missing something, but why not have the sample embedded in the module? surely that's the easiest way, and of course you wont loose part of it when inevitable the files get separated and lost. Only advantage I can see is if you were making loads of modules using the same samples.
#53
Free Music Downloads / [pop/techno] bobojon (mptm)
Last post by Exhale - March 26, 2024, 14:38:06This one is an oddball kinda tune... I decided to just make something odd while experimenting with using external compressed samples for vocals.
I kinda wasnt going to release this because it isnt the kinda thing I usually make, but whatever, I did some hard work on getting those vocals to be a part of it and I can release it as an attachment now, so caution to the wind I guess... haha...
I hope you enjoy it.
You will need to decompress the files to the same directory and leave the vocal ogg there for this to work when you open the ompt file.
I kinda wasnt going to release this because it isnt the kinda thing I usually make, but whatever, I did some hard work on getting those vocals to be a part of it and I can release it as an attachment now, so caution to the wind I guess... haha...
I hope you enjoy it.
You will need to decompress the files to the same directory and leave the vocal ogg there for this to work when you open the ompt file.
#54
Help and Questions / is it possible to have the sam...
Last post by Exhale - March 26, 2024, 11:57:22I am trying my best to find tricks to include full vocals in my tunes I am uploading here, and saving the samples external to the mptm file seems to be a good move in general, I just wonder if it will function on another machine with other directory structures - so I am wondering if it is possible to set the external sample link relative to the tracked file, for example in the same directory for simplicity of sharing.
EDIT : oh I see they are relative, apologies, trying to grasp how these external samples work
EDIT : oh I see they are relative, apologies, trying to grasp how these external samples work
#55
General Chatter / Re: An interesting study about...
Last post by Exhale - March 23, 2024, 21:45:01Well you might be older than I, but I aint a spring chicken, think of it as the oldest a millenial can be. And yes, I played in the church band, my first stuff really back then and I was damn good on the piano for those... You get well practiced and flexible quick when you are jamming with others for at least 2 extended periods every week for many years. Full band mind you, there were like 3 guitarists, a bassist, a drummer and me or one other sometimes at first and then never after a while on the piano, since I took over really. Heh the guitarists all wanted to do rock and had distortion, while I was fresh in the band at like 13 years old... anyways... that was pretty much non stop for 4 years, one practice, maybe two and then the performance every week... so yeah you get good quick. And yeah we were one of those happy clappy kinds with ppl falling over and all sorts of nonsense... I have also had plenty of other band experience playing pretty much anything ppl might want to listen to - so 
dont think you are unique in that at all here. Also, as I said I have taught music and art for about a year at a farm school and had to get creative since resources were pretty massively tight (here in south africa, if take what you think is tight and get rid of it all, I had to make do with what I could find around the place and make inspiring lessons for the kids, making instruments from rubbish etc).
I started tracking on Impulse tracker in dos, and I admit I was scared off at first thinking that making music was basically programming, but once I got the hang of it I was making a tune or two a year and then suddenly more eventually... then moved on to ompt.
Just because we grew up in different times, I presume you were in the 70s while I was born in the early 80s, doesnt mean much man... you still have to get your hands dirty and play what is going, even today, if you wanna jam with other ppl lol... that is pretty much the definition of playing music in a group, everyone makes compromises and everyone steers in their own direction - group stuff is like that lol.
EDIT : we can see who has the longer grey beard huh hahaha
dont think you are unique in that at all here. Also, as I said I have taught music and art for about a year at a farm school and had to get creative since resources were pretty massively tight (here in south africa, if take what you think is tight and get rid of it all, I had to make do with what I could find around the place and make inspiring lessons for the kids, making instruments from rubbish etc).I started tracking on Impulse tracker in dos, and I admit I was scared off at first thinking that making music was basically programming, but once I got the hang of it I was making a tune or two a year and then suddenly more eventually... then moved on to ompt.
Just because we grew up in different times, I presume you were in the 70s while I was born in the early 80s, doesnt mean much man... you still have to get your hands dirty and play what is going, even today, if you wanna jam with other ppl lol... that is pretty much the definition of playing music in a group, everyone makes compromises and everyone steers in their own direction - group stuff is like that lol.
EDIT : we can see who has the longer grey beard huh
hahaha #56
General Chatter / Re: An interesting study about...
Last post by SewerSide - March 23, 2024, 20:51:21Sure, Whatever works for somebody... Growing up from age 10-13 I was taking organ lessons man it was dry & uninspiring. In 1975 took up Bass & once I started being able to jam to records then things took off...
But I did jam with a chick that was president of John Denver's fan club in CA... She was pretty good & just used major-minor chords. those worked for her type of music. Back then you had to play whatever was being played without prejudice against genre otherwise you just had to play by yourself... You all are lucky these days to have all instruments available on your machines no having to rely on others who would always be either better or worse than you & never wanting to quite play the same music as you...
I would've killed an entire village to have something even like AXS Tracker back then...
And there are the 'special moments' like once jammimg with 3 others the drummer just dives through his trap set destroying the hihat & other & flailing around like a freak... Come to find out he was epileptic & had failed to take medication... Could do without those scenarios>>>
Good Talk>>>
But I did jam with a chick that was president of John Denver's fan club in CA... She was pretty good & just used major-minor chords. those worked for her type of music. Back then you had to play whatever was being played without prejudice against genre otherwise you just had to play by yourself... You all are lucky these days to have all instruments available on your machines no having to rely on others who would always be either better or worse than you & never wanting to quite play the same music as you...
I would've killed an entire village to have something even like AXS Tracker back then...
And there are the 'special moments' like once jammimg with 3 others the drummer just dives through his trap set destroying the hihat & other & flailing around like a freak... Come to find out he was epileptic & had failed to take medication... Could do without those scenarios>>>
Good Talk>>>
#57
General Chatter / Simplicity and limitation can ...
Last post by Exhale - March 23, 2024, 20:45:02https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPv6ohjF1-s
The use of the 4 gameboy voices in these tunes is absolutely fascinating in my opinion and is very much inspiring me to push for more simplicity in my tunes, limit myself more and challenge myself to overcome those limitations in creative ways. OMPT gives us so much room and space to stretch our tunes out that we kinda take it for granted sometimes and our tunes become bloated and fat. Listen to the groovy tunes in this obscure pokemon game, check out the notation and wrap your mind around the tricks played to fool you into hearing far more voices than that little machine could actually push out.
Kinda gives me the vibes of oldschool mods, but some of the best ones that were out there, sitting in their 4 channel awesomeness blowing my preteen and teen mind ~"How the fuck did they make this!?" I said it a lot. But the gameboy had 2 square wave channels, a sin wave one, and a noise channel... they didnt even get samples and sometimes they made some absolutely golden tunes.
~ yes a lot of mods were crap, yes a lot of gameboy tunes were ear piercing junk, but that only elevates the work of the legends who managed to make great stuff with those limitations far higher.
The use of the 4 gameboy voices in these tunes is absolutely fascinating in my opinion and is very much inspiring me to push for more simplicity in my tunes, limit myself more and challenge myself to overcome those limitations in creative ways. OMPT gives us so much room and space to stretch our tunes out that we kinda take it for granted sometimes and our tunes become bloated and fat. Listen to the groovy tunes in this obscure pokemon game, check out the notation and wrap your mind around the tricks played to fool you into hearing far more voices than that little machine could actually push out.
Kinda gives me the vibes of oldschool mods, but some of the best ones that were out there, sitting in their 4 channel awesomeness blowing my preteen and teen mind ~"How the fuck did they make this!?" I said it a lot. But the gameboy had 2 square wave channels, a sin wave one, and a noise channel... they didnt even get samples and sometimes they made some absolutely golden tunes.
~ yes a lot of mods were crap, yes a lot of gameboy tunes were ear piercing junk, but that only elevates the work of the legends who managed to make great stuff with those limitations far higher.
#58
General Chatter / Re: An interesting study about...
Last post by n0cturn - March 23, 2024, 17:34:44I did find it interesting, just a bit over my head (I need the dummies guide) found myself watching the drawing too much and not listening to what was being said (that's just me, easily distracted)
#59
General Chatter / Re: An interesting study about...
Last post by Exhale - March 23, 2024, 16:44:25Well quantifying what we do has value, and something I wanted to try to do with art at one stage too... but I decided it was possibly a fools errand, quantifying beauty, putting numbers to it, just doesnt seem possible. But I can respect the act of trying and I highly appreciate the youtube channel. Something that has to be acknowledged is that it isnt a question of 'or' both can be done at the same time, and by people of differing artistic mindsets.
I have a high respect for scientific poking and prodding, and theorizing about why things work musically and artistically is something some people want to do, so I can appreciate that, and I will listen to what they have to say - find out what conclusions they have come to, which can help with inspiration and much more.
As for simplicity - K.I.S.S. or "Keep It Simple Stupid" is a very grounding and humbling concept. When you get too far into the weeds of music complexity, it is important to realize you are possibly leaving other people behind. It might have been einstein who said, "If you cant explain it to a child you do not understand it well enough" or something close to that - and as someone who has taught a bit of art and music, I personally consider the thought potent and important.
I have a high respect for scientific poking and prodding, and theorizing about why things work musically and artistically is something some people want to do, so I can appreciate that, and I will listen to what they have to say - find out what conclusions they have come to, which can help with inspiration and much more.
As for simplicity - K.I.S.S. or "Keep It Simple Stupid" is a very grounding and humbling concept. When you get too far into the weeds of music complexity, it is important to realize you are possibly leaving other people behind. It might have been einstein who said, "If you cant explain it to a child you do not understand it well enough" or something close to that - and as someone who has taught a bit of art and music, I personally consider the thought potent and important.
#60
General Chatter / Re: does anyone else get this?
Last post by SewerSide - March 23, 2024, 16:00:31Well, the way I compose is rather slow so I listen to my tune many times before actual completion so kinda sick of it by the end...
But I always play it the next day for fresh 'listen' usually saying "UGHhhh... this needs redone, that needs redone......." So surgery is needed>>>
But I always play it the next day for fresh 'listen' usually saying "UGHhhh... this needs redone, that needs redone......." So surgery is needed>>>