One beat of mine that i putt a lot of time in and i still don't seem to like the sound. I think its the beat itself..not the right samples for the beat, basse / snare ..to hard..you name it.
the melody is pretty catchy, maybe i wanted it a little bit to much catchy :D
I only used a compressor vst and the rest is all samples ,mostly i made myself & buy'd samples on the internet.
The song is made on 190bpm and i pitched it up :nuts:
Edit by Mod: edited title to contain new songtitle. See a few posts below.
It's not meant to be unfriendly in any way, but, as I stated on this forum before, I don't review songs with the title 'Untitled'.
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"It's not meant to be unfriendly in any way, but, as I stated on this forum before, I don't review songs with the title 'Untitled'.
Hey Sam thanks for the comment, im not good in making names so i needed the Random song title generator, the first thing i clicked i get :
Indomitable_Soundscapes (http://samplekit.nl/music/Indomitable_Soundscapes.mp3)
Indomitable = ontembaar :lol:
A Random title is ok.
You already said it yourself, basedrum and snare spoil the sound of the other instruments, because far too loud.
So no good balance. And the effect is even bigger, because almost all instruments are situated in the centre, so 'hidden'
behind the percussion.
Thanks for your comment Sam_Zen,
Please explain so i can do something about it.
Regards,
Not a bad beat. I think the song needs a little more, though, and the drums do overwhelm everything else.
The beat is really good, though.
Thanks mrvegas,
That's exacly what i'm looking for..nicer sound, better quality.
I try'd to set the samples lower@volume but then again i need it to sound like a punch. (on a Flowing beat) 8)
What notices me is that there Are some verry nice songs on this forum. well made, nice volumes, good quality etc..
Iff i set my box volume normal open, and master also..i get nice volume.
With my song is it that is must set my master a little bit higher and my boxxes 2 and the sound is still not right hahah, hopefully i get to learn this problem of mine.
Regards, :nuts:
Edit by LPChip :) : Wat me opvalt = What notices me
mrvegas is right. It needs more, but I first wanted to focus on the basic material.
And getting some punch doesn't auto-mean that something should be louder or more compressed.
The louder the better is not always the right solution. First, the right volume-balance of the instruments has to be found.
QuotePlease explain so i can do something about it.
There's nothing to explain. I said what I said.
I'm a composer, so if I write something, I compose the text carefully as well, I don't 'chat'.
But I'm ready to answer concrete questions about a specific subject.
2Samplekit:
To archieve great quality, like most have in their songs here, its very important to have good equipment. If your soundcard or headphone is not of descent quality, or it somehow alters the sound by boosting certain frequencies, it will always be noticable. I therefore recommend to search for good equipment.
Although there are many good and also relative cheap soundcards, I would not use an onboard. Instead, I would buy atleast a soundblaster from Creative. Live or Audigy as minimum choice, but preferabelly a much better one, like the M-Audio or if you want surround, the X-Fi one.
You can buy expensive headphones, and if money allows, I would certainly do. If not, then I would recommend the Sennheiser MX400. These are small ear-wearing headphones, but the quality is outstunnishing. They also have an MX450, but don't get carried away by the type number. The MX450 has much more bass, but this feature was added to be of great use for walkmans and mp3 players. It will make your mixes worse if using on a computer. (Oh, and in case you wondered, I have several of each type :D)
If you are ready to pay a bit extra for very good headphones, I would recommend a pair of AKG's.
I have an AKG-K271 Studio, and its great. If my memory serves me right, I payed about 200 Euro for it.
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"The louder the better is not always the right solution. First, the right volume-balance of the instruments has to be found.
I checked volumes. but there are a few : General: song volume, sample volume. Instrument volume & pattern the volume. so that's what im going to figger out.
by the way, is it so that i must normalize all samples?
Big thanks!
Just figured something out for the beat. normalize the sample and put the default volume on 40 or so..mwHAaa
Quote from: "LPChip"good equipment. If your soundcard
My soundcard is just the one in my pc.
My headphone is a phillips SHP2000 :lol:
I use some trust boxxes, one basse and two tweakers i think..i buyed them for 30 euro's :lol: i buyed them by b*rt sm*th ,they said its for putting it on my ps2 :oops: but it sounds nice on my pc (nice clear basse sound and snare by the way) :shock:
Please set me up with a good set of boxxes and a nice quality soundcard!
2 LPChip
Nice point, about the equipment. (Maybe a subject for a topic : 'What's everybody's hardware environment ?')
Quote from: "Samplekit"by the way, is it so that i must normalize all samples?
Just figured something out for the beat. normalize the sample and put the default volume on 40 or so..mwHAaa
So you answered your own question.
I suppose you meant 'tweeters' :)
As LPChip stated, there are relatively cheap onboard cards with enough quality, so this has second priority.
The first one is to be able to monitor what you are composing, as good as possible via a speakerset or headphone.
Since you are composing a stereo-file basically, with two channels, it is important that it is also reproduced that way.
This soundkit you describe is indeed made for a game computer, but not very good for composing.
3 speakers, and I suppose the bass box in the center. This just gives the wrong impression of what you are doing.
Remember my comment earlier : "because almost all instruments are situated in the centre"
I suggest to replace this set by a simple stereo-set with just 2 speakers.
I think that a composer should be aware of the fact, that he has no control whatsoever how the track will be
listened to by the audience. Everybody has different soundsets, speakers, tone-settings, preferences of flavours.
This includes the composer listening to his own result. It's a different role than being a maker.
Every composer has it's own personal settings, when he listens to music. A punchy sound, loudness, clear, etc.
Now it's an iron rule in recording studios to have the monitor equipment's tone-setting as 'flat' as possible.
And flat meaning : all frequencies equally responding as much as possible.
Why ? Because otherwise you would fool yourself considering the final recorded material to distribute.
So :
While making, keep it flat when listening to the progress.
When listening to the final result, turn on your own punch-knob.
Yes, thank you, thank you verry much (like elvis would say it) :lol:
Listening is the best instrument, im going to check for new boxxes, i thinks that's verry important. a quote on Sam_zen's nice explaining.
i have an amplifier that i can plug the boxxes on.
Maybe someone can help me with a nice quality soundcard.
Nice weekend everyone, byebye :nuts:
Translation: versterker = amplifier
Quotea nice quality soundcard
Before you do so, try to figure out what the 'device properties' of your current soundcard are.
The resolutions of recording and playback.
If it can handle 96kHz 16-bits and a floating 32-bits, it's good enough for basic quality.
dont' know more / can't find more that it's a Sigmatel High definition CODEC, legacy audio, audiocodecs :oops:
I want to buy 2 of these (http://www.kijkshop.nl/product/4344/294/beeld_geluid/disco/skytec-disco-luidspreker-170-730/) ,what do you think?
The sigmatel soundcard is an onboard soundcard. It can be that its nice, but its not good enough for music production.
I would recommend to upgrade to atleast an Creative Audigy, or higher: X-Fi or M-Audio or Emu soundcard.
Also, those thrust boxes aren't that good. They provide nice sound (I've heard several of thrust) but they aren't natural. They lack certain frequencies.
If you want to know for sure, visit a store like BCC or any Hi-Fi store, where they allow you to test speakers.
I have a Creative I-Trique 5600 (http://creative.com/products/product.asp?category=4&subcategory=25&product=10736) and although it is about 2 to 3 years old now, I still love its sound. Very good and deep bass while having a very good high end. Ofcource, I had to do some tweaking on my soundcard EQ to get them nicer than it standard is possible, but there's always room for improvement.
It would probably be better to pick one of the newer types, as they probably have better quality than my I-Trique.
But I must confess. Speaking about speakers made me wondering what's out there, and I've decided to upgrade myself :D
Edit: I've ordered the Creative GigaWorks S750.
Since I've updated my soundcard to the X-Fi Elite Pro, I can now have 7.1 speakers.
Do note that these speakers are expensive. A cheaper version would be the Creative Inspire T7900 (note: its a 7.1 set). They cost about 90 euro.
I must add that I've been lucky by getting some unexpected money :D
Quote from: "LPChip"
Edit: I've ordered the Creative GigaWorks S750.
You order that on the internet or?
And please tell me what you tought about the speaker i showed you.
I want 2 speakers with basse/tweek..i think that's better like Sam_zen said.
Regards :nuts:
Edit : I think i'm going save (sparen :lol: ) for the Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1 PCI FR
http://www.centralpoint.nl/frame.php?url=/search.php%3Fcat%3DAudiokaarten%26vendor%3D
Quote from: "Samplekit"Quote from: "LPChip"
Edit: I've ordered the Creative GigaWorks S750.
You order that on the internet or?
And please tell me what you tought about the speaker i showed you.
I want 2 speakers with basse/tweek..i think that's better like Sam_zen said.
Regards :nuts:
Edit : I think i'm going save (sparen :lol: ) for the Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1 PCI FR
http://www.centralpoint.nl/frame.php?url=/search.php%3Fcat%3DAudiokaarten%26vendor%3D
The elite pro one has a console, which you only need if you want such fancy console. The platinum edition is much cheaper and has a build in 5.25" rack with similar options. Price difference is like 60% though.
Thanks for your reply LPchip.
Please be more specific like : Soundblaster/speakers =...
Soundcard=...i dont know names and what we talking about anymore.
maybe an url of the product please
Quote from: "Samplekit"Thanks for your reply LPchip.
Please be more specific like : Soundblaster/speakers =...
Soundcard=...i dont know names and what we talking about anymore.
maybe an url of the product please
It al depends how serious you are and what your goals are when it comes to producing music.
If you really want to improve your sound and your mixing skills i would recommend buying a pair of monitor speakers instead of some creative 7.1 set.
from wikipedia:
Studio monitors, also called reference monitors are loudspeakers specifically designed for audio production applications such as recording, film, television and radio studios.
Some consumer-end speakers tend to add color, tone, and loudness to make music sound better. The goal of most studio monitors is to produce a flat frequency response and a truthful representation of the source material. Sound engineers usually require accurate sound reproduction from their speakers especially during audio mixing and mastering. This enables the engineer to mix a track that will sound consistent on high-end audio, low quality radios, in a club, in a car stereo or a home stereo. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor)
A codec is software, not hardware.
Those speakers are advertised as disco speakers, and that's what they are. So boosting low and high.
But a piezo tweeter is not capable of producing real midtones, as claimed there.
So a 3-way system would be better.
And don't get fooled by the number of Watts mentioned with such boxes. This value has been a victim of inflation since
the computer arrived.
Besides that, what's the point of having two 400 Watt speakers in a room of for example 6 x 4 meters ?
Already speakers of 80/100 Watts could function quite well in such an environment as a monitor.
Thanks seventhson & Sam_zen, Good information.
My search will go on for some nice set of boxxes and a new soundcard.
Maybe it's a little bit exagerated (overdreven) to get a 277 euro soundcard. :oops:
Some help on these 2 points will be nice!
If 277 is too much money, then the Audigy which costs alot less (or maybe the X-Fi platinum) is a good alternative.
But do note: a lower price will also mean less quality, but even if you'd buy a cheap SB Live, it would be better than your onboard soundcard, so there's always improvement.
i would consider any creative card rather as a "gaming card" than a "recording card". that's the reason why I didn't buy a Creative card when i decided that i need a recording card. I mean, who needs all this EAX effects and stuff these cards offer? I'm quite content with the features my card offers. it's a home recording card, it only costed 130€ and has great features!
Have a look: http://www.thomann.de/gb/esi_juliat.htm :)
Also have a look at some of the m-audio cards.
I have a m-audio audiophile 2496 and still are very happy with it,pretty good quality for "only" 90 euros.
Btw. how much money are you willing to spend on speakers and a soundcard?
right, i also wanted this m-audio card, it looked quite nice. but then i saw the Juli@ and found out that it's related to my brother's soundcard which is very professional :)
Quote from: "seventhson"Also have a look at some of the m-audio cards.
I have a m-audio audiophile 2496 and still are very happy with it,pretty good quality for "only" 90 euros.
Btw. how much money are you willing to spend on speakers and a soundcard?
hahah..yes, i dont know howmuch..but im willing to save my money and buy the one from 277, i just want good quality.
Anyone saw some boxxes / speakers?
have a look at
http://synthforum.nl/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=97f97107e96fae30bd09e044b4a5d68d&forumid=73
Quote from: "seventhson"have a look at
http://synthforum.nl/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=97f97107e96fae30bd09e044b4a5d68d&forumid=73
hahah, a product is easyer but that's nice..im member on that forum 2 :P
I just got an email back from this guys, they recommend this :
http://www.soundxplosion.nl/index.php?module=shop&id=12301
I think this:
http://www.soundxplosion.nl/index.php?module=shop&id=9002
or :
http://www.soundxplosion.nl/index.php?module=shop&id=8959%20&%20http://www.soundxplosion.nl/index.php?module=shop&id=9002%20%20or%20http://www.soundxplosion.nl/index.php?module=shop&id=4947%20%20or%20http://www.soundxplosion.nl/index.php?module=shop&id=4949%20
Please tell me what you think, i think it's also a littlebit the price, saldo is 200/250 euro
This one i think is also verry nice But, is 20 watt's not to little?
http://www.behringer.nl/MS40/index.cfm?lang=eng
& a problem is i cant buy them right now on the internet..and yes there is a shop in europe but where hahah :nuts:
Terrible recommendations if you ask me.
The first one is a quite expensive set of speakers intented for music listening,not music production.
All the other speakers are designed to be used for on stage live performances,again not for production.
When it comes to price,only the first link is for a pair,so all the other prices should be multiplied by 2.
Have a look at something like the rokit series from KRK,it's a budget monitorspeaker but quite good (imo) the RP5 speakers are 400 euros per pair. (some places even cheaper)
Have a look at some of these http://feedback.nl/?id=26&a=207
Best thing to do would be to save up some money (if you're short on cash like me lol) and when you have a certain amount,go visit for instance the nearest feedback store or store that sells equipment for musicians and have a listen at the different monitor speakers,preferences in speakers usually vary per person. (bring some music you know sounds really bad and bring some music that you know sounds really good)
Quote from: "seventhson"Terrible recommendations if you ask me.
I know i know hahah, i just bought the behringer set MS40 2x 20w monitor speakers. I think it's a good beginners decision, it's ok.
139 euro, also nice price i think
Im kinda in a :shock: of your feedback link, im opend it just when i maked my order hahah...i saved it in my favorites and im going to keep it in mind for my next buy. :nuts:
Regards,
No problem,hope you enjoy the speakers :D
Quote from: "seventhson"No problem,hope you enjoy the speakers :D
hahaha yes thanks, i hope so!