Hello there people.
I'm having trouble with soundfonts in Modplug. I've come across the SGM180 GM soundfont, which should sound magnificent. I've downloaded some demonstration MP3's and it sounded so awesome, I just had to download it. It took a while, and then I loaded it in Modplug and I noticed a lot of samples weren't looped properly...
I have this with the majority of all the soundfonts I've downloaded. Sometimes a sample isn't looped at all, or the whole sample is looped, stuff like that. Of course, I can change the looping on all the samples, but that is quite a hassle...
I've heard so many good reviews of that soundfont, and I doubt that those reviews would be there if the looping was all messed up.
I'm just adding a soundbank and I import the instruments I need. Is this the correct way of using soundfonts in Modplug? How can I use this soundfont effectively?
Soundfont support in MODPlug Tracker isn't that good.
The support for Soundfonts is based on the earlier formats. The Soundfont fileformat is now capable of having multi-layered samples and other features that are not supported nativelly by MODPlug Tracker. Its on the to-do list to get it working.
Untill then, I'd suggest to use a VSTi to play the soundfonts for you. People have suggested sfz to play soundfont files.
http://www.rgcaudio.com/sfzfaq.htm
Ha! That works perfectly!
Yay, thanks :D
Though, there's one more thing, you see, when I use VST instruments, like sfz, you can't really change the panning or the volume through the pattern editor. I've heard you can do this with macros, but what if the instrument doesn't have a panning feature? It looks like sfz doesn't have a panning feature...
So, I'm kind of looking for a mixer VST (you know, one that looks like a mixer board), so I can link the instrument to that VST. Is there such a thing?
Quote from: "Joshiii-Kun"Though, there's one more thing, you see, when I use VST instruments, like sfz, you can't really change the panning or the volume through the pattern editor. I've heard you can do this with macros, but what if the instrument doesn't have a panning feature? It looks like sfz doesn't have a panning feature...
From sfz's FAQ (http://www.rgcaudio.com/sfzfaq.htm):
sfz responds to all MIDI controls defined in the General MIDI specification:
Note On/Off
Pitch Bend (default to ?2 semitones)
Modulation Wheel (CC1)
Volume (CC7)
Pan (CC10)
Expression (CC11)
Reverb Size (CC12)
Chorus Speed (CC13)
Sustain (CC64)
Cutoff (CC74)
Reverb Level (CC91)
Chorus Level (CC93)
Attack (CC73)
Hold (CC76)
Decay (CC75)
Sustain (CC70)
Release (CC72)
All Notes Off
All Controllers Off
sfz will respond to the above messages in each MIDI channel.
Ooh, thanks.
...
So how do I put this into a macro? Hehehehe :oops:
I've clicked on that Zxx button in the Pattern editor. Let's say I'd select macro SF1. Would I have to, for example, set a custom macro with the value CC10 for panning?
Quote from: "Joshiii-Kun"Would I have to, for example, set a custom macro with the value CC10 for panning?
Yes!
I made a little macro tutorial, especially for you (http://www.speed-focus.com/Zxx.htm).
Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Joshiii-Kun"Would I have to, for example, set a custom macro with the value CC10 for panning?
Yes!
I made a little macro tutorial, especially for you (http://www.speed-focus.com/Zxx.htm).
Oh, thanks! That's pretty awesome. I also discovered I had an old version thanks to your tutorial :P
Thanks man, works like a charm!
Nice Speed-Focus :)
And glad we could help :)
Thank you LPChip. If anyone else wants to make tutorials like that, the software I used is freeware and called Wink (http://www.debugmode.com/wink/). Besided from rendering to flash, it can also render to pdf and html.
Hy!
I'm Kosztya again (I've arrived from another topic).
I have red your instructions how I can controll the parameter of my plugins, and I think, that I understand it, and its rules.
I can control the master volume (and other parameters).
But there is another problem:
I can't controll the panning of the plugin (Slayer2)!
I have seen your visual helping (very good :) ) but there is a problem in here:
- When I want to chose the "macro type" I have no "MIDI CC" between the possiblities.
The possiblities are:
- Unused
- Set Filter Cutoff
- Set Filter Resonance
- Plugin Dry/Wet Ratio
- Controll Plugin Parameter
- Custom
Where is the MIDI CC...?
And now I think that this option would be the perfect option for me (MIDI CC).
I have been working under the "Controll Plugin Parameter" for your last help, but it switches over all parameter of my plugins, which is no good
For example:
- I give a "master volume" command: C-4 01 -- Z20
The master volume of the plugin is changed, and the next voices will be lower. If I want again the old full master volume I have to write the "Z7F" parameter.
Quote from: "Kosztya"Where is the MIDI CC...?
And now I think that this option would be the perfect option for me (MIDI CC).
You need to get a newer verion of MPT (http://modplug.sourceforge.net/builds/#dev)!
Quote from: "Kosztya"I have been working under the "Controll Plugin Parameter" for your last help, but it switches over all parameter of my plugins, which is no good
For example:
- I give a "master volume" command: C-4 01 -- Z20
The master volume of the plugin is changed, and the next voices will be lower. If I want again the old full master volume I have to write the "Z7F" parameter.
I'm not quite sure what you mean here... But yes, if you set "master volume" then it'll change the volume of the plugin. You can contol the velocity of a note with the normal volume commands: C-4 01 v32 ---. This however works differently with different plugins, on Slayer 2 it seems to control how much you dampen the strings with your palm.
My number of my OMPT version: "Open Modplug Tracker version 1.17.02.28 (1.17RC2)"
I visited your link and downloaded a newer OMPT, but it is the same which is used by me. (And the problem is the same: There is no "MIDI CC" in the Zxx macros, I saw it).
But there is another thing:
I have red the pages, which open from your link (click on the "release notes")
There is a chapter, where you can find a picture, which shows the scrolled menu bar of the "Modify macro: Type:"
(its title: "Added macro to control dry/wet ratio")
You can see:
- Unused
- Set Filter Cutoff
- Set Filter Resonance
- Set Filter mode
- Plugin Dry/Wet Ratio
- Controll Plugin Param...
- Custom
But "MIDI CC" cannot be found among them.
http://soal.org/expMPT/1.17RC2/OMPT_1.17RC2_ReleaseNotes.html
It is the newest wersion of the OMPT, and there is no an important application?
Why?
And without it I cannot controll the panning parameter of the plugins?
It would be a very important application for a tracker, I think...
RC2 isn't the newest version.
RC2 is beta build .28 made officially, but we're currently at beta build .43
See the difference? :)
Note that on the beta build page, the top most link is RC2, not the beta. Please make sure you downloaded .43.
Do you know to paste a perfect link here?
(Excuse me please but I am not a big master of the internet. I have downloaded a lot of MPT and OMPT but I haven't found better version, or only I have found a lot of wrong site.)
A link, which I can download the OMPT directly from.
Thank You
http://modplug.sourceforge.net/builds/index.php
Thank you, but it was downloaded by me, but after it there were no change!!!
YES! YES! YES!!!!
VERY YES!!!
My brain was too slow in this evening (My mother used to say)!
I have found the update, and downloaded it!
Now I see the MIDI CC!
Thank You very much my friends, YOU ARE THE GODs!
Tomorrow I will begin to work with it, if I have question I will come back.
Good night!
Hy! I'm again.
Yesterday I was very happy when (after an update) I found the "MIDI CC" under the "Zxx macros".
But the problem is the same... :cry:
I do everithing on that way as speed-focus' tutorial shows, but no plugins which works.
- I changed more plugins...
- I selected effects (under the "MIDI CC")...
But there is no any reaction of the plugins.
What can be another problem with it?
Is the plugin active on the channel on which you are tweaking the param? The plugin must either be assigned directly to the channel or to an instrument that is playing on the channel.
If that's not it, please make an example song available and we'll be able to see where the problem is.
Rewbs, I don't understand well, what you ask.
But I describes how I load a plugin (the problem can be here).
General Menu:
1. Under the "Effect Plugins" I select the "Slayer2" guitar plugin, and put it in "FX1" (FX1: Slayer2)
2. Than in the scrolling "Effect" menu of the first channel I choose this plugin as well.
3. Now, if I click on the "Edit" menu I can see the picture of my plugin, but it doesn't give voice.
4. Now, I go to the "Instrument" menu
5. I click on "New Instrument" button
6. Under the "Plugin/Midi" text I sign "FX1 Slayer2"
7. I go into the "Patterns" menu, and under the "Main instrument" text I sign this plugin as well.
So in this way I can hear its voice, and I can write it into the channel, but only the effects don't want to work.
I have some patterns in which I wanted to use effect. If you have an e-mail address (or any other) I send it!
I would be very happy to find the key of my probem...
In order to tweak your parameters first do an SFx (same as the one you tweak in the Zxx menu) and then put the Zxx in Channel 1 where you loaded slayer also. Should work!
Quote from: "LPChip"In order to tweak your parameters first do an SFx (same as the one you tweak in the Zxx menu) and then put the Zxx in Channel 1 where you loaded slayer also. Should work!
Okay, Tomorrow I come back, and try it.
If it won't work I send you a song, to controll what is the problem! Please give me an address. (Or can I send it to your e-mail address?)
QuoteI have some patterns in which I wanted to use effect.
So do you want to apply effects to your plugin, or tweak the plugin parameters? Your goal is not clear to me.
Quote from: "Kosztya"give me an address. (Or can I send it to your e-mail address?)
Yes you can email it to rewbs at soal dot org.
I'am here again.
Sorry, but this day was very long. (Here 9:45pm)
QuoteYes you can email it to rewbs at soal dot org.
Rewbs: What kind of e-mail address is this?
If you don't want to write it into an opened forum, please write me a sort letter (this will include your address).
My address: kosztya19@externet.hu
When your letter arrives I will answer to you.
My (re)mail will includes:
- a short song (one pattern) with the "Zxx" codes
- the necessary plugins (a drum plugin, and the Slayer2 one)
These files won't be more than 4Mb.
Subject (title) will be: OMPT (So you will know, that is not a a spam, or a virus infected mail).
A lot of thanks for your helping!!!
I sent an email to Kosztya.
Quote from: "rewbs"I sent an email to Kosztya.
I've got it, And I've sent my mail...
Hi,
The problem is very simple:
. You have correctly set the song up so that Zxx sends MIDI CC10 value xx to Slayer2.
. However, as far as I can see, Slayer2 does not understand MIDI CC10. How did you expect Slayer2 to respond to MIDI CC10, and why did you expect that?
. If you set up SF1 to control any of Slayer2's many parameters, it will work fine.
Based on previous posts, I guess you want to control panning.
I believe Slayer2 has no panning parameter. Therefore, you must route Slayer2 through another plugin which does have a panning parameter.
I will send you your song back with this modification.
In general, when reporting a problem, I think it is good to describe precisely your objectives first (for example "I want to control the panning on Slayer2"). You will get better help that way.
Thank You Very Much Rewbs!
In this way, the panning effect works correctly!!!
I will translate your latest reply correctly (there are some unknown words for me :oops: ) and I will begin to continue my music-maker activity -WITH PLUGINS!!!
I'm very happy now!!!