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Been working on another song when I suddenly made this main theme melody so I paused the other one and started with this one. Will maybe add some more effects and change the build ups and transitions at a later stage.
http://nxjthw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pqt7m8g-hPVrLjC_G5CFsmZleAFnuVR1VTZgyi14UMl0ajCg0T2IXSQ1DiL4Ro3u7JTMbe1t5IqA/ggf.mp3?download
The download link said sometimes server full, but try it several times and it should work
the theme is a very nice uplifting, heroic melody.
the rest seems to be very trance.
Have you (or anyone) ever developed a melody instead of just restating it?
myself - I'd strip away the beat and regular trance stuff and make an orchestral version of the theme. The theme is really great, but in my non-trance fan point of view - the theme is trapped within this frame work and can't grow - well at least what I can hear in my head with horns and tympani etc. etc. that would make it perfect for a climax in a movie or game.
Do you mean more like this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe0lrdD6tdA
Or just completly remove the trance stuff and just have the orchestral version. (If you want to hear the orchestral version of that song, search for the director's cut mix)
just the orchestra - but this is all my personal opinion - and its based on that great theme you created.
Quote from: "uncloned"Have you (or anyone) ever developed a melody instead of just restating it?.....the theme is trapped within this frame work and can't grow....
Of course, but that isn't a point in classical meaning of the "trance". In trance you have simpler forms of melodies, and it's more repetitive. The work progression is something like cutting the "best parts" of the developed melodies that can be looped and coloring them with other technical elements over the song. Simpler loops can be more easier to the brain to listen, and easier to dance, some ever-changing melodies and changing rhythm would make these stuff harder. Although, as you've said, nice ideas and melodies can be transferred to other genres that "allows" developing them more.
Rakib: now this one sounds like a proper, banging melodic trance. ^^
00:42 what's this? a naked saw wave? :D i'm sure you could find something more complex sounding, it's too retro for the song. The main melody is cool as it can be, the song is nicely arranged and developed. Changing some buildups and adding more transitions sounds good to me, any variation that keep the ears busy from repetitions are welcome to me. :D
Hmmm, also what about sidechaining? You've experimented with it not so long ago, but i can't hear the implementation in any of your recent songs. ::)
Sorry, I'll wait until it has a title.
It's more or less a finished tune Sam. Titles are "necessary bother" to me anyway, i'm having a trouble to name my works most of the time.
I understand. But right if a song is finished, it deserves a title, I'm quite strict in this. I don't like stuff like 'opus 58'.
Some comments:
Psi: Yes, it is allmost a clean saw with delay. But because of your comment I hear now that the phazer effect is missing when I saved the song as mp3. I have reported the bug here
http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2881.0
For other effects, I have uploaded some compressors and sidechaining in the song but haven't applied them, it's just beeing bypassed, I am not a sound engineer and it's hard to find the right thing to adjust.
But for some of the strings I have run it trough a gater, simulating the sidecompression effect, maybe I should make the effect much stronger. I guess you can't hear it like this song, where the effects are very loud and clear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CC0pgmqEqQ
Sam: For you I'll make up a name for the song. :)
Just need some inspiration first.
uncloned: Thanks for a great idea, I'll search the internet for some orchestral instruments and try to make a orchestralmix of the song.
Quote from: "Rakib"I guess you can't hear it like this song, where the effects are very loud and clear.
"this" song? :D It's one of
the songs, of Mike Foyle, his one of the greatest melodic trance producers in the word (together with Daniel Kandy, Andy Moor, Above & Beyond and the rest). :D Pandora is more than awesome, but imo Shipwrecked was his best work 'till now it was a huge influence on me in 2006, i will never forget that melody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQlipIDmgf8&fmt=18as for making the effect stronger, yep, it could make things better, but the Pandora (Blizzard mix) is a different type of style than yours, you shouldn't overdo as much as they did imo.
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"I understand. But right if a song is finished, it deserves a title, I'm quite strict in this. I don't like stuff like 'opus 58'.
Hmmm daily20090213 must really appeal to you :lol:
Rakid,
If you can provide a midi I can run it through Garritan Personal Orchestra for you - no problem.
Or if an MPT file that Barry would be best to help.
Psi
Repetition - it would be nice if someone could develop the genre to accomplish what you want with more development. I have heard trance (like yours) that does develop though often in sounds or added melodic fragments. If you can magine that perhaps crafting a melody into a series of :hooks: could accomplish this.
Chris
Quote.. daily20090213 ..
Yep, you got me there.
So I'll accept 'ggf'.
So I enjoyed. To be honest, I already find this having a quite clear 'orchestral' sound.
Quote from: "uncloned"it would be nice if someone could develop the genre to accomplish what you want with more development. I have heard trance (like yours) that does develop though often in sounds or added melodic fragments. If you can magine that perhaps crafting a melody into a series of :hooks: could accomplish this.
Sounds like a plan. :D
I've already had some similar projects about the same issue, but they are resting in suspension currently, i've worked out some various series of melodies that were hooked together, but ran out of variation ideas after some point.
Speaking of the devil, could you link me some examples (any genre....well, except free jazz i guess :P) that are "developed enough" for you? It would be a good idea to study them, i could come out with some decisions.
Well, I'm pretty extreme with what I write...
Debussy is good:
http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2755.0
Britten is even better, this whole piece is built on variations of a fragment of a piece written in the 1600's by John Dowland and the development is weird - it starts out with extreme variations and develops towards the original as its climax. The composer does this for 17 minutes.
http://clones.soonlabel.com/mp3/britten-nocturnal-rg.mp3
The last 7 minutes or so of the Britten piece is most instructive (and accessible) as you can hear the theme clearly. Here Julian Bream plays it on classical guitar (it was written for guitar).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJETmCQI2fA
Bela Bartok
http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2822.0
And the only one of mine I'd suggest for melodic development:
http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2448.0
Quote from: "uncloned"Rakid,
If you can provide a midi I can run it through Garritan Personal Orchestra for you - no problem.
Chris
I work only with Modplug, but I'll try to make a version myself and then you can comment and help me move forward. I have been stuck with trance for a long time and it's time to try other genres, even though I may say that orchestral and trance isn't that far apart.
I guess it comes down to what is meant by orchestral.
If it is symphony sounds with a beat, I guess not.
If it is building a piece w/o a beat that relies on "notes" and not tone color or sheer repetition - I think it may be a bit different.
Quote from: RakibQuote from: "uncloned"I have been stuck with trance for a long time and it's time to try other genres, even though I may say that orchestral and trance isn't that far apart.
I think you mean something else other than "Orchestral" which is not a genre but a way of producing music. You'll have to clarify. (If you mean "Classical", nothing could be more different from Trance than Classical! :) )
Everyone is picky about one thing or another, especially artists. Sam_Zen needs titles, uncloned hates repetition, etc... my bugaboo is letting others compose for you. I understand your desire to try something else -- that's admirable. It's a part of every artist's growth.
My advice as an old bag at this is to set it aside if you think it's incomplete, and come back to it some other time. Experiment with other genres that interest you, maybe classical, punk, or chiptunes, if you find them somehow inspiring. Wait for the inspiration to come to you. Don't force anything, and DEFINITELY don't take direction from others (even me! :wink: ). You will be infinitely more satisified as an artist when you complete a project on YOUR terms with YOUR ideas at YOUR time.
I know you asked for advice, and i know the others who gave it weren't trying to step on any toes, but there comes a point where the artist must step back and take back control of his project. One of the joys of art (and music) is knowing that it's yours (even if it's a group effort) and yours alone.
Until then i can't waiit to hear it when YOU say it's complete! :)
That's my 2 cents...take it or leave it :wink:
+1 Harbinger
I think ultimately one writes for one's self first. At least if you want to be happy.
I think some people write for others - and I also think they start producing music by formula. I can only imagine that this is an empty path.
My sentiments exactly. Art is one of the most self-focused things one can undertake. It requires almost a monomaniac to be good at it , no matter what the media, even "performance" art. (It's also why so few good artists make good marriage partners. Inconsiderate bastards! :twisted: )
Myself, i have found that when i'm composing EDM or other types of pop music, that i don't do it by formula, UNLESS the music happens to "want" to be by formula. Nothing saps the soul out of music as artists that don't let the inspiration be itself, or producers that want the music dressed up in a particular style. Each inspiration knows where to go, and a good artist will recognize it! :wink:
I see your points and I know it's all well meant.
As you all probrably know english is not my mother tongue so I might have been a bit unclear about what I really meant when I wrote what I did.
1. I was thinking about making a new mix of my song, not alter the original one. I love strings, piano, violin, harp and all the classical instruments. Making a song with only those instruments would be a great challenge for me and is something I have been looking at before. House is also a genre I've looking at before without managing to make a whole song out of it. Why I thougth uncloned's idea was good was because, here I already had a melody to work on and therefore it would maybe be easier to complete classical song.
Harbinger: Actually I think trance and classical has a lot of similarities, thinking about the build-ups in the songs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWLagP7Zr_A
If you say this build up couldn't be on a classical song, I strongly disagree. Listen from 3.15.
And as for the second point, as an artist and a person who is posting his songs here on the forum I not here to just get a one-liner review like: this rocks/sucks. As an artist I always want to improve and getting impulses from you guys doesn't only improve the mentioned song but me also as a artist. That's why I listen to other songs to be inspired and I hope maybe I can inspire others too one day. I value your opinons but It doesn't mean that I am going to follow them, overall it is me who are making the song.
And for suggestions, anyone wants to collaborate with me, on making a song with mpdplug tracker? I know two heads are better than one.
Peace out!
And btw I have now given the song a title and also updated the song, please continue to give your comments.
http://nxjthw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pm3Fp5Sq1d8cq4k46a4O9wR3ea4uhBbv239najzMVw9Tj8mJdVaEk7pupAnUhVFi1c_R-iPzOjbs/ggfv2.mp3?download
Nice update. More enhanced dynamics in the song.
OT : the tube by Andy Blueman certainly shows Terragen movies.
A nice trance tune, but the chord progression seems to be rather unconventional at times.
Notes as i'm listening:
Intro has a "false compressor" feel that may actually be a ping-pong effect of samples. The main melody is pleasant and open, with just the right amount of reverb. The layering was perhaps too simple but he's not composing the next Wagnerian epic opera. However, the song doesn't seem to develop fully so one feels it doesn't go on long enough. Either it should have taken more time to explore themes or explored themes more compactly (or not had a melody at all).