Jooze 08.mp3 (http://www8.zippyshare.com/v/84818171/file.html)
version 08 (the final one)
MP3 / 160kbps / 6.03 MB
Jooze07.mp3 (http://www5.zippyshare.com/v/95446816/file.html)
version 07
MP3 / 160kbps / 6.03 MB
Jooze.mp3 (http://www.zippyshare.com/v/20564618/file.html)
version 06
MP3 / 160kbps / 5.07 MB
During working on this track, I finally figured out how to use RetrigerNote Effect (Q). And I found it very useful for fast (break?) beats.
This is also the first time I plugged some voice clips in to my track. My own of course :)
I used only MODPlug with freeware VST(i)s and Audacity for voice recording and noise filtering.
I am not sure if I tagged this track with right genres - I have very little expirience in that.
I also would like to ask you, about the technical side of this production. Could it be called 'professional'?
I still have some problems to finalize the track well.
Oh! The name is meaningless. Just sounded nice 8)
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I think that a last i found a good way to finish the track.
QuoteI am not sure if I tagged this track with right genres - I have very little expirience in that.
It shows. Here it is called 'Techno/D'n'B' while in the MP3 tag it says 'Blues'.
It's not a blues, that's for sure. Calling this Techno would be sufficient, I guess.
As you say, you're figuring out new elements, so I would consider this an 'exploration' rather than a composition.
Still too much sounds incidentally introduced and left again along the run. So it lacks a consistent final form.
A discussion about being 'professional' or not, is often a ridicule one.
First of all, to me it has nothing to do with being successful or earning money with the work in the first place.
It has to do with the urge to deliver quality, which sometimes demands a lot of effort and time to get it right.
Your technical production of this piece is quite ok.
Hmm... You have some very interesting stuff here, unfa. :) I like the main synth line you use -- the autofilter (if that's what you're using) works well. One thing that doesn't sit quite right with me are your snare fills, when everything else cuts out -- I don't know, they just don't seem to quite work.
I think that this still needs some mixing work to be 'professional': some of the elements dominate a bit too much, and others don't have enough prominence.
In terms of ideas, though, I like it. I'm really interested now to see what you'll release next. :)
Sam_Zen:
As for the tag in the MP3 file - It's default for MODPlug. First alphabetically on the list :)
I just didn't take care of it - next versions still in mind.
What do you mean: exploration?
Could you explain it? :)
bvanoudtshoorn:
Autofilter - you mean the built-in sequencer of the synth? Yeah, I think it gives more move to the lead.
I stiil have some problems with controlling volume of drums. They are still pushing Dry/Wet slider more and more to the right :)
Mixing... I hope there is no clipping. Maybe too much instruments are too loud at once? Could you expand the need of mixing tweaking?
As for the snare fills - I thought it's a way to make a brake. Do you think that they brake it the wrong way or they are too hard?
Anyway I'am very glad that you like it :D
2 unfa
With exploration I meant f.e. figuring out how to use RetrigerNote Effect (Q), or adding voice clips for the first time.
Quote from: "unfa"Autofilter - you mean the built-in sequencer of the synth? Yeah, I think it gives more move to the lead.
Yes, I think we're talking about the same thing. :)
Quote from: "unfa"Mixing... I hope there is no clipping. Maybe too much instruments are too loud at once? Could you expand the need of mixing tweaking?
No, I didn't hear any clipping. I think that the problem is that too many instruments are too loud; you end up with a bit of a 'wall of sound'. So basically, the listener's ear isn't pulled towards what you want it to be pulled towards; the lead has no real superiority over the other instruments. The mixing's not bad -- I just think it could do with some tweaking. So could my stuff, of course. :D
Quote from: "unfa"As for the snare fills - I thought it's a way to make a brake. Do you think that they brake it the wrong way or they are too hard?
Yeah, the fills
do break up the flow and add interest, but I think that they're too abrupt.
this is an odd tune
I enjoyed the vocal samples very much
the bell sounds are cool - the rhythm sounds sort of broken, stumbling
Okay everybody. I'am very grateful for the time and attention you sucrified. :D I considered your notices. And made some new version. Download link at the top or here:
Jooze 07.mp3 (http://www5.zippyshare.com/v/95446816/file.html)
version 07
MP3 / 160 kbps / 6.03 MB
it's longer! :wink:
As far as mixing of digital tracks is concerned, better not normalize each single track to 100% before mixing.
Straight digital mixing is an adding function, so if 3 tracks have a peak at the same position, there's the risk of passing the max.
Nice improvements with v 07 by the way.
I agree with uncloned, a bit too less consistency of the rhythm sounds.
No need to fondle around too much with that, other elements provide variation already.
Sam_Zen:
Drums? Okay. I'll try to get that different in next version.
I don't know if the new voice clip in version 07 is good enough. Maybe I should re-record that to make it fits better with the rest.
I wanted to soften the snare rolls, that bvanoudtshoorn mentioned to be too slope.
I also added complety new melody thread. I think it still needs some tweaking and kind of a bridge.
Thanks for your support :o :D
Okay, everybody! I added a new version. With changed drum line and a lead kick added. Also some mixing tweaking have been done to it.
Here is is - the final version of Jooze:
Jooze 08.mp3 (http://www8.zippyshare.com/v/84818171/file.html)
Guys, I'am really glad that you found time and will to help me. Thanks! :D
Until the next .IT file... :lol:
Notes on listening:
Jooze (title track):
You sir are certifiably BIZARRRE!
I can't believe i'm listening to this!!
...
I can't believe i'm listening to this again!!
...
I know my brain has been hijacked when i'm going to work greeting everyone with the usual "It's a system partition!"
I LOVE THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHY!! i shouldn't really. but i am enthralled the same way as when i heard William Shatner do beatnik rap....
......
On a more analytical note, my first thought when the song opened was "Early Sugarcubes?" A Muppet character using a computer? No, lyrics without being lyrics?
The song had me rolling in laughter, if it weren't so serious somehow (as the music lends to). I thought we were going to take off in some hard-driving techno, but it wasn't to be (too bad for me).
How can i listen to this? It's too funny to be taken seriously but it's too serious to make you relax. It's too house to listen to motionless, but it's too theme-driven to dance to. It's too musical to be a conversation piece, but it's too eclectic to put in the background. It's too strange to keep, but too seductive to trash.
My therapist will have fun with me this week....
"It's a system partition!"
Harbinger:
:shock: 8) :D
I'am really surprised and simultaneously amazingly glad hearing that you feel something like this! I had some serious difficulties with understanding some parts of your reply, but I think I finally got it :P
I have nothing against using "It's a system partition!" instead of "Hello" or "I don't care about that" or even instead of "How it's your brother today?"
What can I say more
COOL! :D 8)
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and...
"It's a system partition!"
How it's your sister today? :D
Quote from: "unfa"I had some serious difficulties with understanding some parts of your reply, but I think I finally got it :P
Now i see why, you're in Poland! A lot of the references i made you couldn't expect to know! (I forget -- America is not the whole world! :) )
Maybe i'll elaborate:
William Shatner: Captain Kirk from Star Trek, who is not known for his singing. But has an unusual talk-singing style.
The Sugarcubes was Bjork's band from the 80's, and one of the band members (whose name escapes me) never sang -- he would only talk in a strange voice, making a very cool song seem campy. The vocals in your song reminded me of him...
The Muppets: American puppets with funny voices, omnipresent in our culture....
Keep doing what you do!! :wink:
Harbinger:
Thank you for the descriptions :)
I had less problems with persons or Muppets, but a lot of words you used were new for me.
I still don't understand what did you mean here :D:
QuoteIt's too house to listen to motionless, but it's too theme-driven to dance to. It's too musical to be a conversation piece
Anyway, thanks a lot!
I never expected such a feedback for one of my pieces.
I'm doing my best :)
I'vr been told i'm a bit liberal with my English, especially making adjectives out of nouns, and using twice-extended metaphors....
I listened to it again (by accident! -- it made it onto my playlist) and could not gather my attention away from it, both as a listener and as a composer. I asked myself if i could ever bring myself to do a piece like this. Of course not!! I'm too educated and too old (set in my ways) to do this kind of freeform. It's why i admire you young folks -- life (and music) is free to experiment with. Guardrails can be stifling....
As far as my description that you noted: this music is too house...it sounds too danceable ("house music"), like something you would hear at a nightclub, to just let it be "cerebral". But at the same time the beat doesn't stick, because the song jumps to various musical phrases and rhythms, which make it impossible to put it in to the listener's mental background, like you might if you were out dancing.
When i say it's "too musical to be a conversation piece" i mean that this has real musical form to it, not like a painting of uncomposed ideas and amateurish style, the kind that would make people study it and talk about it because it was so strange. This song was obviously decently well-thought-out, and as wry as the style may be, its form was considered by the composer. At the same time though, the strangeness of it makes it impossible to not LISTEN to.
BTW, i hope that my or anyone else's analysis of what you do doesn't affect HOW you assemble your songs. Too many times criticisms, even if their meant to be constructive, can spur an artist to consider them when they compose. But DON'T!! Do what you always do the way you do it. The only time you ever need to consider someone else's regard for your music is when you're trying to sell it. :wink: