Hello,
I've been really dying to expand my timbral palette beyond the same old sounds.
So I got 10 different nice GM soundset banks, ranging from 20 to 130MB.
I've loaded them all into MPT.
I've also downloaded some individual pianos and nice sounds.
In every other software I use, soundfont player, etc, they work flawlessly.
But,
Sadly, only about 1 out of 20 soundfonts works in Modplug.
Most of the instruments are wildly out of tune, random notes in the sample map are missing samples (there will be just an arbitrary one missing) And half the instruments sound like weird quarter tone scales.
It's really a shame because Soundfont GM banks would be a great way to have a nice big palette of sounds in MPT.
My list looks like this:
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/355/sf000ps6.png)
But MOST of the sounds don't work. It's just really sad!
Modplug does not import the right frequency values for SOME samples.
And it randomly does stuff like this:
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3763/sf111zh7.png)
Here is a link to some soundfont GM banks you can test out to see for yourself.
You need SfArk to extract them.
http://www.personalcopy.com/sfarkfonts1.htm
Is there any chance of this getting fixed?
It's been "bugged" like this for 8 years now.
Wouldn't it be nice to have 1000 new sounds?
- Nola
MPT is well known for not supporting modern soundfonts properly. I guess it supports SF2 Version 1, but nothing more recent. But you can try the "VSTSynthFont" VST-Plugin. Either use it as a VSTi in the tune or "export" the sounds that you want to have in your module (saving notes one by one).
I do not want any kind of VST plugins-- that defeats the whole entire reason behind even using a tracker in the first place.
I use a tracker because of the effect commands, the ability to do beautiful dynamic things with individual notes that Midi cannot.
If I was going to use plugins I definitely would not be using Modplug.
Then do as suggest; Download the plugin, load the soundfonts into the plugin and play a single note through the plugin and do a wav export. :)
Why don't the developers fix the SF2 importing code?
To be honest, I have other priorities than looking into the latest SF2 specs. Like looking into the VST specs instead. Also, the latest SF2 specs are not compatible with MPT at all, because there's no way to do multisampling in a tracker.
but this is super important... I mean where else can I get big banks of sounds for modplug?
I understand Nola, but why don't you try at least to load your favorite sound banks with a VSTi that handles them perfectly, as Jojo advised? The chances are high that you will find it even more comfortable than the OMPT's internal system.
Because I do tons of portamento, pitch slides, fine pitch slides, tremolo, vibrato, Kxx, note cut VS note off, etc...
That is the only *reason* I use modplug at all.
Without those things I see no reason to use Modplug at all.
I'm using only VSTis with trackers and believe me, you can archive much more control over the given sound than with internal tracker effects. OMPT is very good for vsti purposes too, don't have to look for another host if you're going to try. :D
Oh, and "note cut" is a bad idea to start with, anyway. :D
That's what Buzz is for
ah, Renoise does the job better. ;)
Psishock, he said note-off.
I can understand where you're coming from Nola, The biggest problem is that most SF2's are multilayered. Even while it technically is possible to convert them to .iti files so you can load them into modplug, it might very well mean that you'll have 2 or more instruments to play just one sound.
If you're interested in converting your SF2 to an .iti, then look at awave studio. With the trial version you should be able to export one sound to .iti (not complete banks, but manually you should archieve what you want)
Otherwise, look on the internet for either .xi or .iti files. That way you can get what you want and it'll actually work!
hey LPChip... I spent a whole day searching for ITI's a little while ago.. All I found was very few 8 bit old geocities web sites with really "cheap" sounds.. just really bad...
Doesn't compare at all to these nice SF banks..
Try googling for IT instruments, you will have no luck!
I asked a bunch of tracker guys I know too, none of them knew where to find any.
LP: i disagree. :D He said
Quote from: "Nola"note cut VS note off
note off is fine, but ompt is suffering from the "note cut" idea at the moment.
hmm.. better try some suggestions made here, before any further complaints..
Quote from: "Nola"Doesn't compare at all to these nice SF banks..
because they use multisampling/multilayering, which is not possible with one single instrument, as explained above.
Vienna from creative is floating around on the net.
Is it worth a try to load the offending soundfont, and then save it to a new file and see if that fixes things?
If you want more soundfonts:
http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/sfbank
Also, you can use VSTi's together with samples.
I personally use sfz for SF2 playback, though I rarelly use SF2's at all. I love VSTi's in general though, so I usually use those instead. Nothing can actually beat a good VSTi, because it can be programmed in such way that for each similar C-4 note, it always sounds slightly different than the last time you played it.
SF2 support in OMPT is crappy indeed, but I taught myself to live without it :D I still can't find VSTi which will play ALL soundfonts just how it was intended. SFZ f00ks up when VSTSynthFont does not, and vice versa.
And I still miss that easy panning slides, portamento to note and arpeggios.
I'm so with you on that matter, Nola :D
Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: "LPChip"Nothing can actually beat a good VSTi, because it can be programmed in such way that (...)
That, sir, merely depends on what kind of music you want to do. :P
Quote from: "Jojo"Quote from: "LPChip"Nothing can actually beat a good VSTi, because it can be programmed in such way that (...)
That, sir, merely depends on what kind of music you want to do. :P
Depends on the VSTi too. There are wavetabled VSTi's which can do about anything.
Add automation to it, and you can nearly replace the effects entirelly.
Modplug can't really do automation of VST's.. the automation support in this tracker is really, really bad -- and bordering on downright completely unusable. It's the worst VST support of any tracker I've used so far.
In the entire song you can only automate 14 different parameters. I mean seriously who are we kidding?
You say we can do all of this stuff with VST automation and yet it's still using SFx?
There was some fxcommand called "#xx" in MPTM, which I assumed would be a total replacement for SFx, but it does not work or seem to do anything.
If Modplug wasn't totally retarded, then you could do this:
| ... 01 #40 \00 |
| ... .. ... \FF |
which uses Instrument 1, Parameter #40, with applies automations of 00 and FF.
It supports a parameter selector in the volume column or in the fx column and a full 00 to FF range.
QuoteIt's the worst VST support of any tracker I've used so far.
QuoteIf Modplug wasn't totally retarded (...)
Why don't you use one of the non-retarded trackers then?
Seriously, why do people complain if they don't like an application anyway?
And in the next big version (aka RC3), there will be the possiblity to control any parameter of a VST without setting up a macro for it anyway.
Quote from: "Jojo"
And in the next big version (aka RC3), there will be the possiblity to control any parameter of a VST without setting up a macro for it anyway.
O RLY? w00t w00t w00t!!!
Quote from: "Nola"In the entire song you can only automate 14 different parameters. I mean seriously who are we kidding?
16 different parameter (without the Chainer) for one VST(i), you can open a second instance and control those mapped 16 ones separately too. Lets take the example that you are using just a few different type of VSTi and VST, wouldn't that b still enough anyway? I mean what are all those controls that you want to automate all the time?
Quote from: "Nola"If Modplug wasn't totally retarded....
Bashing the program this hard? :D Why bother Nola? I would just use another one instead, if it doesn't suit my needs at all.
Quote from: "Nola"It's the worst VST support of any tracker I've used so far.
To be honest, VST support is pretty decent if you ask me, i've seen (a lot) worse in some other trackers. ;)
Automation is a whole different question, but there are workarounds for that too, and we have a few ideas how could it be improved (redesigned).
I think Open MPT is good for what it does.
I'm biased though because I think the tuning support is awesome.
Soundfonts are nice but you can use samples if you are willing to work harder and obtain really good results.
One thing to say to the offensive posts: fart you you farting farthead. Ahem.
Try Psycle or some other program. Look at the lists of software on here and other sites. Play around. MPT is the bee's knees. It does what it's supposed to do and much more than it needs to honestly, which is cool as hell.
I raise a glass to the devvers. Hopefully soon I will be laying some major work on the site dev too. RL really kicked LP and I in the shins. Me one round after the other...all well be well soon. I will have my classes finished soon with lots of source to apply to it.
RC3? That's sounds great. As I like to use everything that I have at hand (samples, xi's, VST and VSTi's, and a lot of sf, mainly through sfz), I wellcome every improvement in OMPT. So, if it isn't indiscret, would the developers be so gentle as to tell us a tentative date for the new version?
I know that in any case it can't be exact, and that many things may happen in the meantime, but... I'm working now in something that will take at least another year to finish, and with a lot of sf's and VST's, so I'm really quite interested in having an idea of what may come.
Thank you
As said earlier, the next version of OpenMPT will come bundeled with Duke Nukem Forever. :lol:
Seriously, though, we have been planning a release for months now, but I think there's still some small things relabs wants to implement / fix before the release of the next .53 version.