On the history and influences of modern drone music

[Louigi Verona]

Are you available on Skype or GMail voice chat? I am really interested in the subject and perhaps speaking about it live will clear everything in a matter of minutes.

[uncloned]

nope, I'm at work actually.... I just don't have much to do the past few days.

perhaps someone can chime in with a better explaination?

or I can try to answer some questions.

[Louigi Verona]

Yeah - I understand what additive synth is, I understand the wave forms, I don't understand what are you doing with them.

[uncloned]

my point is square, triangle, saw waves all have the same partials

when you sweep a filter with high Q you will always get the same sound more or less.

[Louigi Verona]

Hm. Yeah, it might. But it does sound sweet if done properly and can be a very hypnotic listen.
But using a filter is not the only thing you can do. I use vocoders, granulizer, slicer, just tampering with the sound and putting it together in weird combinations.

[uncloned]

Yes, the harmonic series does sound nice.

But my point is that it is the same sound. For most every waveform normally generated.

If you take the sound of a bell for instance - a bell (usually) is inharmonic and you get different partials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inharmonicity

[Sam_Zen]

Of course any sound can be described as a mix of sine waves, or the higher harmonics of the wave.
This mix can be described as being a 'modulation'. So one periodical signal is influencing another periodical signal in time.

One of the first digi-keyboards, the DX-7, had a nice tool, to change the algoritms between four sine oscillators.

I still think a sine wave is not the basic building brick. It has to be made out of a noise signal with a narrow, resonating Q-factor.

[uncloned]

I still think a sine wave is not the basic building brick. It has to be made out of a noise signal with a narrow, resonating Q-factor.

This is an interesting idea - I wonder what it look like on an oscilloscope.

[Sam_Zen]

So it is. Just take some white noise, and narrow it down with a very sharp bandfilter, with a 'plus' amplification.

In nature, due to the filter circumstances and surrounding resonations, often sine tones are rendered in this way.

[Louigi Verona]

Yes, the harmonic series does sound nice.

But my point is that it is the same sound. For most every waveform normally generated.

If you take the sound of a bell for instance - a bell (usually) is inharmonic and you get different partials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inharmonicity

Well, I do not see a problem for sound music there. First of all, I rarely synthesize sounds, instead I use recordings. (In fact, synthesis by itself cannot be the essence of sound music, the ability to record and edit sound is)

And I can use any type of sound - be it bell, piano, just sounds from life around. I use all kind of sounds as sources and samples. In fact, most of my tunes use bizarre samples - not just pads with a sweep filter on them, but usually sliced sounds from different sources.

I hope I did understand you correctly though.

[uncloned]

"Well, I do not see a problem for sound music there. First of all, I rarely synthesize sounds, instead I use recordings. (In fact, synthesis by itself cannot be the essence of sound music, the ability to record and edit sound is) "

This sounds like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musique_concr%C3%A8te

[Louigi Verona]

Sound music and music concrete are different things. Music concrete is part of what sound music is. Sound music is a more general term. I am sorry, I still did not have the time to talk about sound music and how I define it.

But in short, concrete music is a genre of sound music.

[uncloned]

Lv I give up.

[Louigi Verona]

Give up?? Oh boy... I thought I was the one not understanding things...

Anyway, don't mind that. I will present the material. All your commentary is super welcome always. Discussions are necessary and help me a lot. I am still analysing the genre thing, thinking over what you said too.

[uncloned]

to be honest I don't see how you can divorce pitch and not be some form of music concrete (with the exception of "noise" pieces like I've heard that was various shades of noise [pink, white, brown] with rhythmn of some type).

And the music of yours I have listened to was pitch based with filter sweeps and percussion. Certainly not sound sculptures like Sam Zen does - or say my piece "And War Itself"

http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2436.0

And my piece you like the most, electronic dream #1 is totally pitch based

http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2464.0

And it is, once again, filter sweeps of the traditional harmonic series.

I don't see a middle ground - just combinations of varying degreess are possible...

So I give up because I don't understand what you are saying....