For your listening pleasure, Tassel of Blue submits this playlist album, Sonic Epiphany. Keep in mind, if you download the file, you agree to abide by the terms of our license, which are summarized below. If you won't abide by the terms, we do not give you permission to possess the file.
This is a complete album and will not be separated. It is a 94MB download, made up of 12 .mp3s and other files. No permission is given to dismantle the album for others, so if someone cannot for some reason download the entire album due to their own limitations, they must have someone else download it onto a flashdrive or CD for them. The exceptions to this are the pre-released downloads which already exist at ModPlug Central.
The album is in .zip format, but the extension will not be recognizable until you change the extension from .album to .zip. Why do we do this? By using an unrecognizable file extension, we hope to keep the music for a select few, those friends of ours in the MPT forums. We don't want money or fame or even recognition -- just a deep appreciation from those who have supported us, and who also pursue their own musical hobbies in near-invisibility. Well, you're not invisible to us, and this album is dedicated to those whose art is never heard or seen....
PLAYING NOTE: All the music is bass-optimized. If you hear distortion, turn off bass boost or any equalizer you're using.
Sonic Epiphany
EDIT: Link removed at Tassel of Blue's request. Please e-mail her at the address at the very bottom of this post if you would like the album.
A collection of dance-club music, with influences from 80s Synthpop to 90s EDM. This is all original music, assembled between 2008 and 2009. For descriptions and other notes, please read the Liner Notes in the file archive.
Songlist (with type and duration)
A Fairy's Heart Acid Trance 4:26
Connection (Voiceless Mix) Tech Trance 6:21
Existential Fractal Progressive House 5:20
Out of the Question Acid Trance 4:15
Raving Lunatic* Industrial Dance 5:47
Compulsion Techno-Industrial 4:21
Mass Aurora Eurodance 4:55
Titanian Orbit* Tech Trance 5:00
Decapod* Ambient Trance 6:56
The Song From Your Eyes Synthpop Instrumental 4:57
Every1* Progressive House 4:16
Truth B Told Classic Trance 7:40
* Available separately at ModPlug Central.
NOTE: If you feel that a song doesn't fit into the given genre, mention it here in this post, and we'll research it with the genre you think it should be.
Other files included:
License Page (README 1st) (.txt)
Notes on this archive (README 2nd) (.txt)
Sonic Epiphany Liner Notes (.doc & .pdf)
Sonic Epiphany Title (.bmp)
Sonic Epiphany Cover (.bmp)
Sonic Epiphany album icon (.ico)
The Liner Notes and Cover were provided in case listeners wanted to create their own CD complete with notes and cover image, using the software of their choice. Then you could say you got this professionally produced album for FREE!
CAVEATS:
However, possession of this music is only allowed under the following conditions, which are spelled out clearly on the license page.
1. Don't sell the music from this file archive.
2. Don't upload it to another site. There are reasons we are not sharing this music anywhere else.
3. Don't use any part of this music in other material that will be commercially controlled.
4. Don't broadcast any part of this music through any media or include it with other media unless you have written permission from Tassel of Blue.
5. You MAY burn your own CD of this music for your own personal use, but we request that you mark somewhere on the CD "Not For Resale" in case it falls into someone else's hands. If you wish to give the CD to someone else, all of the information with this file must stay with the music, so you will need to put these conditions on the CD or in its package, but see next condition. If you wish to send someone this music over the Internet, we prefer that you link them to this thread; otherwise, send them this complete archive with the .album extension (remind them to change it to .zip, but by unarchiving the file they will abide by the license, just as you did).
6. You may not share or distribute this music in mass quantities (more than 8 friends or colleagues), unless you have written permission from Tassel of Blue.
Why all these conditions? We think it's only fair that we control the music we are sharing for free; if we wanted to transfer control to marketing, we'd sell it to you. If our listeners abide by our terms, we have no reason to control this album commercially, where we would have a lot more legal recourse. So we'll try this on the honor system first, mostly because it's the most stress-free option for everyone, but also because it's our firm belief that true art should be made available to all, whether or not they have the means to purchase a copy of it, as long as they abide by the terms of sharing asserted by the artist.
FAIR PRICE:
But for those who can afford it, we allow the listener to set his own price for this album. If you wish to donate to our vband, then by all means send us money, whatever you think is a fair price for this production. Think of it as a donation to the artists so they may continue to produce good art. But no one is absolutely under any obligation to pay anything for this album. It is legally and commercially free for personal use, and we find no reason to market it if it's not within commercial control.
If you would like to send money, we can only accept US dollars in a cashier's check or money order, all other forms are too inconvenenient to be useful. If you can't put your donation in this format, don't feel guilty. Simply send your money to a local children's charity, and drop us an e-mail about your intention and your generosity. That's the next best thing for us to receive from you!
If you can donate in that format, please send whatever you think is fair to N. Kelley, 1736 Gulf-to-Bay Blvd, Suite 47, Clearwater, Florida, 33755. We'll appreciate the gift and keep you in our thoughts and in our hearts.
REMINDER:
Don't forget to change the extension of the file from .album to .zip, and your archiving software should recognize it. (This method was tested only under Windows XP. You can also double-click the .album, and Windows will ask to choose an application to open it with, in which case select the program that you use to open .zip archives. Windows should recognize it.) If you have any trouble de-archiving the file, drop us a note at aeon_music@ymail.com with the Subject heading "Can't open album".
That's the official post. Now for my own personal thoughts...
Perpetual, unrelenting thanks goes out to uncloned for his effort in getting this music to where we wanted it to be, so that Tassel of Blue could share it with our colleagues here at ModPlug Central. He went A and B the C of D to solve our problems and make things happen, given the limitations of the Tassel of Blue's demands. :P I recommend anyone with music to share to give heavy consideration to SoOn!
It is without exaggeration to say that none of this would have even been germinated without ModPlug Central. I myself found MPT a few years ago because i wanted to make music for Unreal Tournament. I had never even heard of tracking much less .it and .s3m files until i found this website, even though i had done alot of sequencing with various synthesizers. Another thick slab of gratitude goes out to LPChip for making it ALL possible, by maintaining the website and the open-source version of ModPlug.
I put in a lot of hours helping and engineering this album, but Tassel of Blue put in even more, first as student, then as musician. She has come a long way and seems to have a knack for tracking. While she has picked up alot of techniques and theory over the past 2 years, i've started to see her own style emerging, which some of you have thought was MY style. She's just as good as i am in song structure and design, and even better in rhythm and bass lines. She is quickly learning melodic and chord technique, and is more inclined to experiment with timbre than i am.
This music is not for everyone, but you may find something you like in it. But if you feel the urge to criticize anything in this album (as far as the completed music), you MAY want to take a cold shower and forget it. :P That's my sage advice...
Ah, so that's the album that you were looking to host! Would've been interesting to listen to it but I cannot agree to the conditions of your license. Which is sad because I am curious about the album. Ah well...
thankyou harbinger for that post.it loks very profesional!and thanks for actualy putting tgther th file.
an thanks to "Uncloned" for all he did.Harbinger was rigt,hes someone u can trust and will help u if he can.
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i hope evryone likes this music,but if u dont its ok.jsut remember its not art,its just music. ethr u lik it or u dont.i want be mad if u dont lik it,only if u tell me what i did "wrong"! >:[
Quote from: "Louigi Verona"Would've been interesting to listen to it but I cannot agree to the conditions of your license. Which is sad because I am curious about the album. Ah well...
That's too bad, Louigi. But i'm glad you were honest.... :wink:
The license basically says, "Keep the music to yourself." What part didn't agree with you?
Quote6. You may not share or distribute this music in mass quantities (more than 8 friends or colleagues), unless you have written permission from Tassel of Blue.
This. I really don't want to be counting to how many people I gave the record I like. What if my best friend happens to be the 9th? You are asking me to tell him "No" because I need a written permission from the author? A permission to share something with my friend? Excuse me, but I want to have the freedom to decide who I share things I like with, when and how many people this would be.
QuoteWe think it's only fair that we control the music we are sharing for free
If by that you mean that you are doing the world a favour by releasing your music for no charge and that now everyone should agree to be controlled by the author and getting a written permission to share files on her computer with her friend, then I sincerely believe it's best to simply not get involved with such music and such musicians.
When distribution of music is such an issue that with the release you are obliged to agree to a license which takes several paragraphs, it makes me suspect that there is something wrong here and that such music is best be kept to the composer.
Don't get me wrong, you are free to release music as you wish. And I am free to react to it as I wish. I strongly oppose such proprietary behavior on behalf of composers. I also strongly believe that a composer should not have so much control over his work and over people who listen to it once he releases it.
Now i see where you're coming from. You believe that none of us are allowed our own identities and souls, individual selves creating our OWN works that serve as basically a references to our personhood and talents. You apparently believe, following your logic, that work i created is work YOU created, that the work of one artist is the work of all artists, and no one has a right to claim the work from one's mind or heart.
I believe that when an artist creates in a vacuum, he doesn't need to "control" where it goes. It's out there. When an artist creates in a world where everyone respects each others rights and property, then he doesn't need caveats and conditions to distribute, for an exchange or not. But when an artist creates in a world where people like to assume they can "have" whatever they want, even if it wasn't given to them, for an exchange or not, then he must have recourse. This is where lawyers and licenses come in.
If you feel you are entitled to do with artistic works whatever you want just because you found a way to get it, you're no better than a common thief. And if i may be so bold, if you have that attitude towards other people's creative works, you're EXACTLY why Tassel of Blue did not want to post this music.
Thank you for abiding by our request to honor the license. I will try to convince Tassel of Blue to lay off in a response if you're willing to take the continuance of this conversation to another thread, as she is not as respectful as i am of other's people's opinions. On the other hand if this is all that needs to be said, then we can consider the matter dropped.
Anyway, i'd like to keep this thread on a positive tilt, since this is a debut album of (someone i'd like to consider) a talented musician! :D
Easy Solution, Louigi: Give your friend the link to this thread and no the files. Why? There's no difference. It's a digital copy, therefore perfect. He can download it from here and it's all legal.
QuoteYou believe that none of us are allowed our own identities and souls, individual selves creating our OWN works that serve as basically a references to our personhood and talents.
No need to be so categorical. A reference to your talents is there, in a name which is on the record.
I also believe a good artist is entitled to a reward - that is, if I like the music I would be happy to pay for it to encourage the artist, to help him make a living off of his music.
If, however, an artist asks that for his sake I agree to be controlled by him - with how many friends I can share the music I like - then I believe this to be too much to ask.
As simple as that. Claiming that you wrote the work which someone else wrote is plagiarism and is unethical and
I was not speaking about it at all. It is actually very weird that you saw this in my words - no need for so much emotion.
To be honest, this is the first time that I was presented with such a license. I repeat - an artist is entitled to recognition and monetary reward. But I think it is outrageous that you believe you have the power to control with how many friends I can share your music.
You perhaps think it is absurd. But let's look what moral dilemma you are putting your listeners to.
Moral dilemma.When I share your music with my friend it affects you indirectly and me directly. As I've said, if the 9th person would be my best friend and he would say - "wow, nice music, can you copy it to me?" I am faced with a moral dilemma.
1st - either I have to say "no" to my friend and offend him
2nd - or I have to break a license and simply give him the files
It is best to choose a lesser evil which is to break a license agreement and give my friend a copy.
But breaking a license agreement is not good too, so the best thing would be to not enter such a dilemma. Therefore, the decision to simply not get involved with music which puts restrictions on my relationships with other people.
You may see it differently, because you are the one putting virtual handcuffs on other people. You wrote something and believe that you have the moral right to control what people do with your music once you've released it - but by trying controlling music you are controlling more than that.
And please don't slide once again into other people remaking your music. I am not speaking about it now at all.
And if Tassel of Blue did not want to post the music because other people may see it and do something with it, then maybe it is best to unrelease it until it is too late and the world has destroyed the album by tampering with it.Look around. So many musicians on this forum and noone has yet attached a license to their music. Why aren't these people afraid? I wonder. Maybe we should all attach licenses.
Also, if you would've said - guys, we don't really want to spread this music around, please don't share it much - believe me, I would've gladly complied. But when I am presented with a license with 6 points to it my attitude is different.
Harbringer, Tassel of Blue - think about it. Do not react to me, this is not about me. Do not fear the distribution. Noone will steal your music. Noone will sell it. You are protected by copyright and if that happens you can sue the people. But if you are real musicians and not businessmen - stand proudly and present your material. Your devoted listeners will not let anyone use your music in an unrespectful way - believe me, I have had such an experience. And plagiarism is very rare because most people love to create something on their own.
If you don't want us to give this particular album to many people, just ask so in a friendly manner. No need to attach an official license. That makes a whole lot of difference.
Jojo: yes, it can be done that way, which really makes this whole license absurd. On the other hand it can be viewed as "sharing", can't it? Once you put such restrictions on people, it all becomes very absurd.
I am disgusted by such an attitude from a musician so my decision to not listen to this album is an act of social opposition to such behaviour.
Hmm. Got a bit fed up with debates like this, and decided not to listen to this album, because I lost interest,
even before I read the last line of Louigi.
This is a ridiculous mix, that we should be very grateful for this gesture, and that we are restricted to whatever.
And in this way I don't like to be forced to download one huge file. Which is quite undemocratic too, regarding poor people with a slow modem.
QuoteThen you could say you got this professionally produced album for FREE!
This is pure commercial demagogy.. It just would cost me. Jewel case, empty disk, paper, ink, time.
And seeing all those rules just make me feel not trusted.
And most of them are not even necessary, because there's such thing as common sense, and/or as LV states, copyright laws.
Why being that paranoia ?
There are really every kind of people in our word Sam. Harbinger and Tassel of Blue may seems to be too paranoid from our angle, but they most likely have their own reasons, mayb their life taught them to trust so little the people, i couldn't know. Anyways, neither of that will stop me from listening to their creations (when i'll have time). Think about it with a bit more calmer approach, i'm 100% sure they aren't having trust problems with You, or me, or most of the people they knows here, but with some possible strangers. They may had burned themselfs before.
QuoteJojo: yes, it can be done that way, which really makes this whole license absurd.
That's exactly what I was implying...
Don't worry Psi, I'm as calm as a synth without a player.
To make some balance, I would like to state, that it's anybodies freedom to declare any restrictions about any of the own publications.
I could make a rule that downloading my file is ok, but it should only be played through a open car stereo system, wearing no socks and with a green hat on. And raising anybody who was standing in the right wind direction to hear it, some tax.
Jeez, popcorn mode ON!
Guys, you already made quite a promotion (more of negative kind) with this discussion. Gotta listen what's all the fuss about just to ease the burden.
That is a very good one Sam, goes right to sig. :D
I listened yesterday at work - perhaps I'll listen again.
Its hard to keep track of what is what as far as titles go when it is an album.
My take is everything is ranked from good to excellent - I'll try to get some names. Some of the piece could use more development IMHO - others are quite well done IMHO. (Truth b Told one of the best)
I'm not sure conditions like these can be considered binding because there is no proof that the conditions were read, let alone agreed to. And once you've released -anything- on the internet you've effectively lost all control of the distribution - and even with a physical CD this is reality - you've just made it a bit harder. And this is true for sampling of your work too. (In some people's opinion a wide voluntary distribution by fans would be considered a success!)
And while I think Tassel of Blue's and your music is quite good and professional, I consider the music Sam and Psi (among others) post professional too - and if I understand correctly they have / are making money off of their work.
I am dismayed to have seen this crash here on modplug - this forum has been an oasis of sanity for the most part. I appreciate the work of everyone here and hope we can put aside the differences and get back to being friends and enjoying each other's work.
"It's the music stupid!"
now i think this was big mistake.my friends here have no prblm not giving away our music.but pppl on th internet feel lik they can do whtever they want with othr ppls work.its a matter of trust and respect.
harbinger warned me ths migt happen,so i gess im not so mad,jus disappointed.if u dont hav enugh memroy or whatever, thats th same thing as if the music was on cd an u didnt have a cd playr.we all hav to do without somtimes.
im sorry u all didnt lik it(well im not SORRY but u knw what i mean),but me and harbingr lik to dance to th album, plus stuff by psishock and other trance artists
Let me just say, i'm disappointed too. I harangued my best friend for several weeks trying to get her to trust the people at these forums, and her only wish was that whoever downloaded the album would keep it to themselves (she has her reasons which she is entitled to). Everything we did was for that purpose. But a big production was made out of THAT rather than the actual album. Doesn't anyone else consider that shameful? :(
No one here is obligated to listen, but if you were interested and you wanted to have your own copy, then just honor a simple wish -- and considering that it's free music, why is anyone complaining?
There is also a misconception about what is going on here. She is not selling you her music, for sure, but she is not GIVING it to you either. She is SHARING it. Let's put it this way:
If she told you she had some new music, and you were interested in hearing it, would you (if you could) invite her to your home to play it so you could hear for yourself? What if she said, "Fine. Under one condition. You can't record what i play." What, suddenly you don't want to hear her music? She wants to control who has recordings of HER music and YOU feel as if you have a right to own it?
You have a right to own whatever's in your brain, but not what's in the air. You have no right to see anyone's personal paintings, nor any right to read anyone's poems, nor any right to hear anyone's songs. They can give it to you and sell it to you, but they lose (ethically) some control over it because, well, you own a COPY. But when someone SHARES something with you, they give you the privilege of perceiving it, nothing else. And that intention was all clearly spelled out.
Apparently most of you thought the music wasn't even worth the respect of someone's simple request, so that's that.
As for Sam_Zen, i understand your limitations; i had the same this time last year. Perhaps we can make a special dispensation for you, but it's ToB's call. (BTW if you have any restrictions on DLing and listening to your music, pencil me in! I have a green hat! 8) ) And no, I don't trust anyone, but Tassel of Blue trusts even fewer! :P
As for Louigi, sounds like you just hate rules. Your ethics and worldview are your own. But where they conflict with ours, there may be a problem. I like some of your music, but we should keep our discussions to a minimum. However, i do thank you for offering your site for possible UL. :wink:
For those who supported this brand new artist and wanted to brighten her debut, we thank you and we'll consider you in the future. :)
(wrote this before seeing LV's latest post, I was replying to Tassel)
Well, when decoding this message, I may be change my mind about listening to it..
2 Louigi : I was not talking about my own technical DL-limitations, but on behalf of others with less.
This situation of a recording of a live performance, and the conditions about it, is an interesting issue.
The air vibrates by some concert, the air is not owned by anyone, the movements of the air are recorded.
Then what ?
If you ask me the whole thread here is just crazy and should be about the music....
I certainly don't think ToB or Harbinger deserved the fun that's been poked at them.
And I certainly think the license agreement doesn't reflect reality and the announcement could have been worded... softer.
Perhaps a better tact would have been just to ask people not to share it beyond modplug.
I personally think that would have been clearer and no one would have had an issue with it - not even LV - and seems to be your real intent anyway.
The vast majority of the posters here are fairly serious about their work and respect others. I still think it is a good forum for posting music such as yours for a considered opinion. My wish is that we actually get back to the music instead of the politics in this forum - General Chatter is for that IMHO.
I'm glad to host your work (or remove it as you wish) - here are the stats so far.
us United States us 4 4 183.03 MB
ua Ukraine ua 2 2 183.03 MB
no Norway no 2 2 183.03 MB
au Australia au 1 1 91.52 MB
de Germany de 1 1 91.52 MB
cs Former Czechoslovakia cs 1 1 91.52 MB
ru Russian Federation ru 1 1 91.52 MB
And one last note - I think it should be said that if people don't attach restrictions or license to their does not mean they think their music is worth less.
Some people firmly believe music should be free (which is the original scene ethic) and the music is awesome in every respect.
Some people like my friend Micheal put thousands of dollars and a year and a half of work refining what him and his wife did and want to make a living off of it. So he does not let you download his album or any tracks for free.
either way is really ok.
However one needs to make up one's mind - if you let it on the internet it IS released. Like I told my friend Micheal - people can grab your stream - so think about how many preview songs you want to give away.... if the media hits someone's PC - they can probably can find a tool to grab it if they want. It is just reality.
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"(
This situation of a recording of a live performance, and the conditions about it, is an interesting issue.
The air vibrates by some concert, the air is not owned by anyone, the movements of the air are recorded.
Then what ?
In America they confiscate your recording device....
You are technically not allowed to even take pictures.
However, the ubiquity of cell phone cameras with still and video and sound is making this very hard to enforce. Personally I think it is very short sighted - nothing can sell you more than a committed excited fan wanting to share the great experience they just had at your concert... but that's just me.
QuoteAs for Louigi, sounds like you just hate rules.
It sounds to me that you either haven't read a word I wrote or you simply did not understand anything. Which is a pity. It only shows how deep proprietary thinking got into people during the latest century.
But let me repeat this one last time: if you would've just asked, I would've gladly complied. When you attach a license which officially declares me a "criminal", "thief" or whatever nasty word you'll find because I share the music with more than 8 people - this is a different situation and an attack on one's freedom.
In my posts above I have tried to explain the moral dilemma of the situation. If you have read it and pictured yourself in the place of a person who is obliged to fulfil the terms of such a license - there should be no questions. This is a serious situation.
Each person has common ethics. They do not need to be written down into a license. No honest person would want to do plagiarism. But you chose to make up a license.
And think - why 8 people? Why not 9? You were very specific. I reacted that way because these licenses do not come out of thin air. They are not requests, they are orders. And when I am listening or sharing music, I do not want to be overlooked by strict licenses which control my every movement. You ordered to not give the tune to more than 8 people, even if it happens to be my friend, another musician will require not to drink tea while listening to his music.
Of course, it is easy to break a license, but it is not an upright way to live - breaking agreements. So this wave of trying to control people must stop. And I am speaking about moral control, about this weird belief that you can control people and attach licenses to them simply because you are a composer. If you are a good composer people will feel gratitude and can help you financially, but noone should be in power to take away people's freedom.
And if you don't see the moral dilemma which I described in previous posts, then there is nothing that I can say further.
As for your play with words GIVING and SHARING, it is a typical example of an oversimplified analogy between material objects and files.
Sharing is not giving only if we are speaking about material objects. You shared a cd so now we have it but you don't because you gave it to us. In the world of files you do not share, you give away identical copies. In the world of computers sharing is actually giving.
Sam_Zen: I was not talking about download limitations at all. It is very sad that my action is so deeply misunderstood - maybe my English is very bad?
To all: Maybe I am the only one here who saw the license as an unacceptable behaviour. Maybe everyone else believe this is the way to go. Maybe it should even appear in the forum rules -
you are not allowed to release music without attaching a license which would restrict with how many friends people can share your music and what they cannot do any more in their lives once they downloaded your music.
But to me this trend is disastrous. For the last 20-30 years copyright and proprietary thinking crawled into art. Now art is not about touching upon people's souls, it's not about a path which one chooses in life, it's a tool to get money and a tool to rise above everyone else because you are the "creator".
The license which we were presented with was an act of rising above. I am the composer, so you should all bow to me in respect.
I am a composer myself but I think such an attitude is junk. I release a lot of material and it is very good. I know this because I get the satisfaction from working on it and because a significant amount of people tells me so. Yet I do not have any power over the amount of people one must share - and not physical control, which Tassel of Blue also doesn't have, but most importantly no moral control.
So when you download my music you can be calm - you do not "owe" me anything at all. If you like the music and want to thank me, there are many ways to do it. But I do not compose music so that people will be obliged to me. And I believe this is a healthy way to look at things.And when people are not obliged to me, the music I release needs no licenses attached to it.
Quote from: "Louigi Verona"QuoteAs for Louigi, sounds like you just hate rules.
To all: Maybe I am the only one here who saw the license as an unacceptable behaviour.
LV - do you sit in judgment of us here at Modplug? I find that as ridiculous as an unenforceable license.
But to me this trend is disastrous. For the last 20-30 years copyright and proprietary thinking crawled into art.
Please note the date of publication on the bottom of the graphic.(http://www.bestactever.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/music-pirates-in-canada.png)
Thanks uncloned for that (assuming it's real :wink: ). Your patient history lesson is far calmer than the response i was going to give.
Louigi: End this discussion now. You made your point in the first page of this thread, i made my point, and i've tried twice now to end your hijacking of this thread. What should have been a positive experience for a new artist has now pretty much stopped any chance of her posting here again.
Congratulations. I'm sure everyone is proud of you for standing up for yourself... ::)
Quote from: "Harbinger"Thanks uncloned for that (assuming it's real :wink: ). Your patient history lesson is far calmer than the response i was going to give.
http://www.bestactever.com/2009/04/26/the-long-war-music-piracy-in-1897-nytimes/
Alright, i've finally able to find enough time to listen to the whole album together. It has been very well made, i cannot pick my favorite, i could find interesting parts on every piece. The bassline and that filtered lead in Existential Fractal is amazing, i like the haunting design in Compulsion and Every1. It is a good thing, that every song is variable enough, fun to listen and differs from each other.
About the other arguing, i think that peaceful conversation should be always welcome in every topic, but impulsive, aggressive responses simply kills the moral of the community (i'm not affected, i can overcome everything, but still can feel the tension in the air). We aren't on a trial here, but with friends, a less firm and more loosed approach should be more welcome. We are also grown up people, there is more that a few simple ways to react to a comment that isn't compatible with our way of thinking, without verbally hurting each other (even if lightly). Respect is a good thing, lets make the bond between us more stronger, rather than kicking or weakening everything up.
Harbinger and especially Tassel of Blue, guys, please definitely don't stop posting new stuff. That would be a pure nonsense, if you would decide to act like that, because of what happened in some of the people's post. I am looking forward to see your progressions in time, it would be a shame if you guys would hold your compositions just to yourselfs. I can accept your license as long as i'm not restricted to simply listen, and how much time can i listen to the compositions. Who cannot accept the license, shouldnt waste the time with the post. Things will go much smoothly this way. Everybody has a right to choose his/her own way, i think it is natural that we can respect (at least) this much in each other, putting any personal ideas aside.
Thanks LV, a well-formulated statement.
2 Harbinger : Positive experience ? End this discussion now ? Hijacking this thread ?
You're the one who introduced aggressively off-topic paranoia elements in the first place.
Never mind. I just get fed up with wastes of time like this..
Nice album so far. listening to track 3 now. And yes, you have done a lot wrong in this thread, sorry. Starting with the strange license which could have been expressed in a way more friendly way, to the "Security through obscurity" approach with renaming the .zip file to .album. Judging the content by the file extension is a thing that's mostly spread in the windows world, however, linux systems for example rather examine the first few bytes of each file and determine what kind of file it is that way.
Thanks for all your responses. We have both learned who to trust with a simple request for confidance, and who to avoid.
Yes, Sam_Zen. I'm fed up with all this too. So is Yjana. She has learned alot about the people here, especially those that feel sorry for what has happened in this thread, and those who feel indignant. Our respect for our colleagues in this forum has changed drastically.
Harbinger may I suggest that the next time you wish to do this you may find sending a link and password to an encrypted zip file via private message with with a request to keep the release secret a better route?
goodness that is a horrible run on sentence. sorry
I do not think my statements were aggressive. They were firm. I am used to expressing my opinion firmly and clearly. If you get offended at every word which is not wrapped with "please" and "sorry" then there is nothing I can do.
Your opinion of me does not interest me at all and it will not stop me from opposing licenses which dictate what I can share with my friends or not. I will oppose them non-aggressively but very firmly. Be ready for that.
Perhaps it is indeed best if your releases are limited to PMs to your "trusted" friends.
Quotegoodness that is a horrible run on sentence.
Quite so, Clones :)
QuoteJudging the content by the file extension is a thing that's mostly spread in the windows world, however, linux systems for example rather examine the first few bytes of each file and determine what kind of file it is
Thanks Jojo, I didn't know that.
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Harbinger : This was to me more a philosophical debate.
So I was not planning to break any license an author likes to add, as a kind of protest.
In fact, I'm living quite on my own, so it's hard to find 8 friends anyway..
QuoteSo I was not planning to break any license an author likes to add, as a kind of protest.
Sam: I was not too. I said that these terms do not fit me so I will not download the album. This is my act of protest. I am not protesting by breaking an agreement - I do not believe this is a good way to go.
Well, here you go. This is all about trust. Although you had your objections about this concept,
I was sure you wouldn't break the conditions.
I am explaining all this in so much detail only for one reason - so that people see what it is all about. And it is so easy to misunderstand everything by just taking one phrase out of context and misinterpreting it.
I am protesting by not downloading the music because it's conditions do not fit me. This is a respectful way - I do not cut off myself from the society and from my friends and at the same time I respect the license. I actually regard it seriously - otherwise I could've just ignored it and not even talked about it.
There is another possibility - that Harbinger simply thought that by not allowing people to share the files all he did was control his music. It would be true if it was a material object. But files are not and they are too easy to share. Not allowing to share them is much more than restricting use of music - it is restricting people's rights to share. Think about this - the line is delicate and might not be recognizable at first but it is there.
But once you saw that difference, there is no good reason to keep the license as it is. The clause that restricts sharing should be removed.
I agree with LV, this is handling quite delicate things. So it shouldn't be dealed with too unprepared..