Results!Thanks, everyone for participating in The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2009. It was a great compo, and I had a great time hosting it. For those who are interested in another round, see the last post. :)
Now for the results, I present you the results from good to bad. The graphical scale indicates how people have voted. You can see that it twisted alot back and forth, meaning that most of the contestants have a different taste. Based on the comments, you can also see that people voted for different things. Thanks for participating and voting. :)
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1 [ == ··==] 39 LPChip - Triangular Noise
2 [ ----·· --] 33 PsiShock - Restricted Harmony
3 [·· -- ··--··] 31 g - ec
4 [ ······---- ] 31 BvanOudtshoorn - The Princess and the Potato
5 [ -- --······] 30 Rabik - Listen Up!
6 [ -- ==·· ] 30 MACHiNESMiTH - Melancholy Memories
7 [ oo ····] 18 Rel - Debug Crab
8 [## ] 7 Sam_Zen - Bringtone
- Some really fantastic instrument sounds, unfortunately let down somewhat by the percussion, particularly the snare drum. Musically, this is a well-controlled piece, but its length is, in my opinion at least, a tad on the long side. (Although given the length of my entry, that is perhaps an unjust criticism. :P) Overall, really solid work.
- LP, you've polished this song for a quite a longer period i can see. I adore your ideas about sounding, you did put a great work on most of the stuff. I just knew, you would naturally distort your sounds to hell when you've mentioned a guitar tune. But when the first strings hit me, i was blown away. Definitelly has the "wow" factor, thumb up matey, you've deserved it. ;)
- This felt like I was hearing a more professionally produced variation of my tune! Definitely has a haunting vibe, scottish mythologies pop into mind (theres a bagpipe-ish instrument playing someplace - had a very Jan Hammer feel to it by pattern 43. This also made me realise something, at some point I kept looking at the order list waiting for the song to finish (not a good sign) - the realisation was that my song is almost as long as this and that people must be begging to shut it off! This also had my system REALLY begging for mercy!
- Louder than other contributions, by used compression. Nice lead sound from pat 30 on. Sloppy ending.
- The lead instrument was a bit harsh.
- pros: A quality track, and the samples was great. Love the song - cons: too long
- Very well produced, bass is great. The guitar and flute sounds are impressive, but also horrendous. At pattern 40 it gets interesting, then the beat gets even cooler before the song fades out.
- Before I started to make the song, I already had ideas about how to do mixing. The result is a song that is substantially louder than the other entries. I wanted to (ab)use the DX plugins in its fullest extend, to create the "WOW, is this possible too?" factor. I think I succeeded in this. Especially the strings even gave me the WOW factor. I am even proud of getting a 6 minute song out of this. Really shows what you can do with just 2 samples. Also note, that I left my spare patterns in there on purpose, so you can see the ideas I discarded. :)
Psishock - Restricted Harmony
- Ah, that immediately-recognisable Psishock sound. :) But seriously, 127 channels? Are that many *really* necessary? :P It sounds as though a lot of the sounds have been stretched out quite a bit to get some quite impressive results nice work. Musically, the track is good, but I have to admit that there was nothing that really 'grabbed' me: what I heard was good, but it didn't make me really sit up and take notice. Really good work, nonetheless.
- For some reason Fish come to mind...the Deep sea variety all flowing to and fro dreamily with nary a care and then the sudden crescendo-ing (is that a word) ending conjures up an image of a Yellow daffodil in the middle of the seabed, before fading to black. (Verily, I should be directing demos!). That said - 127 channels?! I counted much less channels being used...the hell is that?! Its like he would've broken the screen and make another channel on his wall since he "only had 128 to play around in". The menacing growling bassline part is cool (starts in pattern 6) the rest is very `Class' Crack Demo - introsepctive. To be honest, If I had the choice I'd tie LPchips entry with this one, the fact that LP's tune was closer (in spirit) to mine is what made me give him the upper hand.
- I expected more different kinds of sounds... more advanced. Nevertheless, I get a nice chiptune feel from this. Later in the song the sounds do emerge, but I still expected more X)
- Hmm.. untitled. Very nice good programmed structures, but after 3/4, attention is fading.
- In spite of some excessive roughness in the sound such as crackles(in rendered wav), outstanding piece.
- pros: Nice, reminds me of ambient and early synths use. Fairly advanced, nice samples - cons: Too long
- A very melodic and interesting piece. Sound quality of the percussive instruments could be improved (as LPChip's song is evidence of), but as a whole this composition stands out. Very nice bass sound, wish I would have thought of it.
- hello me! I know i should stop talking to you, the very nice voices are saying that too, but we can discuss so much nice stuff about composing technology, girls and life stuff, you know. ttyl soon.
g - ec
- I kinda liked how the very pretty, almost 'too sweet' melodies were counter-pointed with harsh dissonances. The production quality is really high, too; I particularly liked the percussion.
- Nice minimal/chiptune like composition G, a bit short, but i've had a nice time listening to it.
- And the lift doors open. Thats my first thought after hearing the intro :D Nice and happy tune. :) I like it. Also good sounds and different parts. I really love the drums in the song that come at patt 13 and later. Very well constructed! :)
- Vitamin C! -(the music group, not the health supplement) I actually imagined a princess and an anthropomorphic potato (you can thank BArry for those 2 characters) walking down a bright NES colored path befriending all manners of walking talking fruits and vegetables. VEry Happy Happy. Another reason I'm happy happy with this is because it seemed like the only other tune that was made by punhing notes into a normal typing/QWERTY keyboard rather than the midi one. Very Chip!
- Nice panning positions of single notes. The slow playback speed is on the edge, but is has something.
- pros:Short, good melody, good samples - cons: None
- this is my own song, which is far too simple compared to some of the other entries.
Barry van Oudtshoorn - The Princess and the Potato
- hehe, i like the crazy slides Barry, you did put a nice funky, grooving beat together, could b a bit longer tho'.
- For some reason this sounds like a hybrid between a demo tune ...and an Americans take on dance music. (Dj Keoki comes to mind but his album stuff doesnt sound anything like this). The opening instrument is very professional (stacatto I think its called). A few seconds after the opening I started humming the `Gods' theme line to this!
- Quite a fast song. Beginning is very nicelly done, but the song tends to bore me because it has a bit of a muddy feel. The B part as you wrote in your comments are a good addition cus the feeling fades away. I now have the feeling something happens.
- Nice extended info about the piece. Which comes alive after 1:55. But elements stay a bit monolithic all the time.
- Middle part of the tune was nice, especially the bass line.
- pros: Short, a nice and fun upbeat song. - cons: None
- Perhaps a bit repetitive, but the bassline that starts on pattern 16 is a gem.
- My entry. Apparently, I'm the only one to have used the 'Comments' facility. :P
Rakib - Listen Up!
- Musically, this is one of my favourites. It's got really solid form, and the melody works really well. However, it does feel at times as though there's some body missing: I assume that this is because it's a remix of an existing track. Technically, whilst some impressive sounds are pulled from the samples, I somehow feel it could've gone further. But I really do like this track.
- haha, nice conversion of one of your older song, into 2sample version, trancey as is should b, great work with the sounding. Almost good as your "real" songs, oh and interesting idea for the basskick.
- Ugh! a dance/trance tune. Sorry, but I really don't like a song with a fixed 4/4 beat. It does has a nice catchy melody, but you could mix the song a bit better. Later in the song, you fix this :) And then you screw up by a 4/4 beat :( Sorry, I just don't like a 4/4 beat.
- The second entry I heard - its about this time that I'd realised that I may have shot myself in the foot...and I put a msg on the forum board to relect that. Wow I'm floored... all this with just the 2 samples? I know this style is highly derivative but its what I connected with so far, 2 mins down the tune and I want to shout `Ecuador!' for some reason. Even without all the effects the euro dance like vibe is unmistakable. (I originally used XMPLAY because OpenMPT brought my system to its knees. Obviously XMPLAY does NOT play the song as it was meant to be) - I really did try but OPenMPT just slowed the tune down ito a macabre death march of some sort - nothing dancey about it
- Happy bouncing piece.. Nice work with floating noise.
- Simple, sweet and cheeful. The beat is a bit weak tho.
MACHiNESMiTH - Melancholy Memories
- Well, points immediately for writing in 68 instead of 44. :) The instruments didn't seem to go quite as far with the samples as some of the entrants got them to. On the other hand, musically, this is a strong piece, and its minimalism really works for me it feels almost like a lullaby.
- a very strange way of developing, but i like unusual ways ^^, as if some notes sometimes are out of the tone, but nice idea and production, impressed me. Oh and welcome to the forums!
- Great sounds, and very simplistic. Too bad, this song seems to be some kind of remix from an old C64 song I used to listen alot to. I miss the lead present in that song. Still great song, I just get thrown off balance because I know a song that sounds very very similar.
- Nice organic start. I like the silence break at 3:33, suggesting a finish. From 4:50 it starts swingin'.
- Enjoyable melody. Nice to have a plain module in the compo.
- pros:Nice melody, Sounded that you maybe was trying to tell a story, nice builds. - cons:Too long, some heavy stereo issues(intensionally or not, I did not like it), clap was too loud.
- Overall nice tune a bit let down by sound quality.
- this is my own song. what? Say something nice!
Rel - Debug Crab
- Well, this is certainly an interesting track, and towards the end, there are some quite nice melodic elements that are introduced. The instruments, I feel, don't really use the full potential of the samples. Still, not bad work.
- hey hey, you are developing yourself greatly, this is the first actual song that i've heard from you. Nice debut matey! :)
- I am not so fund of the siren, but the rest is very good! I do miss a powerfull basedrum every now and then. Simple, but it has vibe!
- The only thing missing was a fellow proclaiming in a queens english accent of the `Benefits that stereo can provide' or `This is bass test for mid frequencies' - not a song in my mind but bloody hell how did you stretch those sounds?!
- Mixed feelings. It has maybe no story to tell, but it's a bright example of tracking : good sounds made out of almost nothing.
- pros: Simple and nice tune. - Cons: The samples wasn't really good. Unexpected ending.
- The fun starts at pattern 8. Then it ends when I want more. I don't like the percussion.
Sam_Zen - Bringtone
- Very different, certainly. :) As S_Z said, this is a 'dummy' track to allow him to vote. :) To be honest, though, I would've been interested to see this track with a bit more length.
- dummy.it - do not delete me. ;)
- not really my kind of music X) I bet Henk helped creating this tune? :D
- Insipiring and crap at the sametime, the only thing that gave me hope that I still might
have a chance (yay!), then again he did say he submitted this only to see the results (boo!)
- pros: Short - Cons: Nothing much to say. As you said, the entry was just to be allowed to vote. Not a real entry
- I like the beginning of pattern 2. The rest, not so much
- Dumbo
Welcome to
the MODPlug Tracker Compo 2009Like 2 years ago, I've decided to host a competition to see if you're good in using OpenMPT. Last time, I provided a large collection of fixed samples that stimulated your creativity by combining various sounds and using techniques like sample offset to get a nice song together.
I must say that I am very surprised with what people were able to do, so I expect alot from this compo. :)
I wanted to do it differently this time. I want this compo to be more limited yet give more freedom. In order to do that, the very large samplepack you have to work with this time, contains a woppin 2 samples! Namelly, a trianglular waveform and a noise sample.
RulesYou can only use MODPlug Tracker
You'll get an .it file which you'll have to work with.
Sample pack will be provided through the .it file
You are not allowed to alter the samples in any way. If you however see something in the samples that can be improved (like looppoints) feel free to post the looppoint settings and I'll tell you if its agreed to use that.
You are not allowed to add samples either.
Please don't post a song that contains these samples (wether it follows the rules or not and you are/aren't participating in this compo until the deadline has past).
There are no restrictions in the instruments at all.
No use of VST effects and neither VST Instruments, Except for the following DirectX Media effects(these are allowed):
- Chorus
- Compressor
- Distortion
- Echo
- Flanger
- Gargle
- ParamEq
- WavesReverb
Your submission cannot be a rendered mp3, but has to be your module.
Although I don't see a point in it, you are allowed to submit any kind of
module that MODPlug Tracker can open, but it won't get you extra points for skills if you choose a hard format.
VotingOpenMPT has to be used when voting.
If you participate, you also have to vote. Not voting means disqualification.
Voting will be limited to the participients only, so if you aren't participating, you cannot vote either.
You cannot vote for yourself.
You vote by putting all the songs in order from best to worse followed by your song. In addition, you have to give a small comment on each song (this will be the feedback to your song once the compo is over)
Start/DeadlineCompo starts eh... NOW! :D (25-04-2009)
Compo ends: sunday (31-05-2009).
Basically, if you haven't submitted your song on the 1st of june, when I'm going to check it out (that is past midnight for sure) you're too late. If you submit your song on june the 1st and I haven't yet checked the songs, you're a very lucky bastard! :)
This is over a month of time, which should be by far enough.
Submitting:
You can submit your song by using this upload script: http://upload.lpchip.com/mpcompo2009/index.php
Please note, you cannot download/remove your song once uploaded. If it has to be removed, please contact me.
Now, here's the downloadlink for the huge samplepack:
http://files.lpchip.com/temp/mpcompo_09_sounds.7z
Enjoy! :)
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Voting is now open! If you participated, you have to vote, otherwise you should've participated XD
Don't forget, you need the latest version of OpenMPT to listen to the tracks. My song for instance doesn't sound well if you use a version prior to .48, as I use RC3 mixmode, and a few features that were introduced in .48.
Get the votepack here! (http://upload.lpchip.com/mpcompo2009/files/OpenMPT%20TC%202009%20votepack.zip)
Gentleman.. Start your engines.
Wait you cant even modify in the program itself?
Well, that is not restricted anywhere, so you are basically allowed to modify it as you please. *giggles* Hey, lets take this chance and enhance the arse of the OMPT out! LP woulnd't be able to recognize it after the heavy improvements.
oh, still 18000 years to go for that compo...
are you in a hurry somewhere?
Haha, I also noticed that Jojo...
Hahaha, I done it again, didn't I?
Previous time I wrote 2006 instead of 2007, now 20009 XD Oh well... One day I'll learn... I hope... :nuts:
I'm in! >:D
Started playing with it already!
What sound quality is to be used?
From no interpolation till XMMS-Modplug there is a big difference in sound quality when you are working with so low quality sounds.
And how many submission is allowed?
edit:
And can you duplify the samples?
Thinking about the filthering options
In case you didn't know, you can set per-instrument resampling which overrides the default resampling. Apart from that, I suggest Polyphase sampling as the default resampling method.
Also, you don't need to duplicate samples because you can duplicate instruments instead. Several instruments can share the sample sample (not it XM format, but in IT format). Press the shift button while clicking on the "new instrument" button to duplicate the current instrument.
I'm in too.. Although I'm finally forced to get familiar with the IT format.. :)
There is one thing that I find perplexing -- why on Earth is the trianle
in 8 bits and the noise in 16 rather than the other way around?
I got the Triangle from an old S3M I Once made, and the noise from another source. I believe I actually recorded that noise once.
Anyway, the quality of the triangle in 8 bit is sufficient enough.
As for the number of submissions, you can submit only one song.
However, when the compo is over, and we've voted, we could do another round. Same samples, same restrictions, but with more knowledge. :) Especially since you then have the time to examin the previous sounds and think of new ways and stuff. :)
2 Rxn : Of course it's not the other way around. A triangle is a straightforward predictable waveform,
while noise is quite irregular per defintion, so will need a higher resolution to keep it a bit precise.
Hi Sam_Zen,
the problem about 8 bits is that it has high levels of quantization noise.
So, if you take a noise sample in 8 bits, chances are you won't tell the
difference from 16 bits, coz if you add some noise to noise you will get
(surprisingly) noise.
For distinctly shaped waves though 8 bits and 16 bits are two worlds of
differences though.
LPChip,
here is 16 bits triangle
(http://www.fileqube.com/file/PxeKNrr191958) for you if you are willing to replace it. Also I noticed there is a bit of silence
in the triangle that you posted which might not be necessary. Generally,
if you need a simple wave form, any decent wave editor can do that in a
couple of mouse clicks without a need for messing about with synths.
2 Rxn : You've got a point there about the noise.
And indeed, a wave editor can generate an exact period of a certain waveform at a certain frequency.
Changing the triangle is not allowed.
I want to keep the samples as they are. I agree that it might've been better, but for the sake of keeping things as they are, I don't want to replace the sample at this time. Not that I think it matters that much anyway.
Quote from: "Jojo"In case you didn't know, you can set per-instrument resampling which overrides the default resampling.
Aah, didn't see it before now. But since we are working with chiptunes, I suggest no resampling should be used.
For the rest of you, does anyone have any electrostyle chiptunes, need inspiration?
Never made electro or chiptunes before, so why not try both of them together.
Quote from: "Rakib"...since we are working with chiptunes, I suggest no resampling should be used.
Who said anything about chiptunes? :D
Personally, I'm quite happy for people to use whatever interpolation they want. With the 8bit triangle sample, you kinda need it or you can strange artifacts. Besides, you can use the resampling mode as an effect in itself, to change the way the sample sounds fundamentally. :) I know that I'm using different modes on different instruments, because for some instruments I want a sharper sound than others.
I'll download the sample pack tomorrow. I hope I can come up with something that I can submit to this here excellent compo. :)
I'm actually having some trouble getting something good.
I thought I had a few ideas but it seems harder than I thought. X)
If many people have this, I don't mind adding another month to the deadline (ofcource only if we all agree upon this)
no need for that LP, we have almost a whole month to finish something worthwhile. It will go smoothly, just wait for the right inspiration.
I would welcome another month. Because I'll have to get familiar with IT-commands first.
well, you can write your tune in XM, convert it to IT and then adjust stuff if it doesn't sound right. :)
I considered that option, but conversion is not enough, because IT has some commands which XM hasn't.
Extending the deadline will only make me forget to fisnish the song.
i'll have a look at the samples in the next few days, though i'll most likely be busy with finishing my part of a split cd in the next 2 weeks.
anyways... be sure to expect some wicked noise from berlin.
I decided to try this out. So far - complete crap is my output.
Anyway, important question - can we duplicate samples or not?
I don't think so, LV. But you can reference them lots of times. Given that you're not allowed to modify the samples at all, the fact that you can only reference them shouldn't be a problem.
Indeed. You cannot duplicate the sample, but thats pointless anyway, cus you cannot modify them in any way either.
You can make duplicates of the instruments, and that gives you the option to have as many different sounds as you can make using these samples.
Ah, so you CAN create as many instruments out of these samples as you want, right? So that I have instruments with different volume envelopes and different filter settings, right?
Yep, that's right.
As I have explained already in this thread, you can simply duplicate an instrument by clicking on the "new instrument" button and pressing the shift key at the same time.
Quote from: "Jojo"As I have explained already in this thread, you can simply duplicate an instrument by clicking on the "new instrument" button and pressing the shift key at the same time.
Or at the location where you do sample mappings, right click-> duplicate instrument works too
Since Cubaxd has posted a song that follows the rules before this compo is over and people are now discouraged to participate, I have added the following rule to this compo:
Please don't post a song that contains these samples (wether it follows the rules or not and you are/aren't participating in this compo until the deadline has past).
Basically that means: if you do something along the lines of this compo, wether you're participating or not, please wait until its voting time before releasing it.
were does one get the allowed DX effects?
They're built into DirectX. And since every Windows installation nowadays comes with DirectX, you already have them. Simply use the plugin manager to add them to your tune.
EDIT: Darn -- beaten to the punch by Jojo. :P
I would have loved to be able to use a square and a triangle. But this is more challenging. I've actually begun plotting something down, it is something along the lines of a techno-offering.
Quote from: "maleek"I would have loved to be able to use a square and a triangle. But this is more challenging. I've actually begun plotting something down, it is something along the lines of a techno-offering.
I know the feeling... But nah, that would've made things way too easy :)
Sorry to say, but I'm off again. Not because of cubaxd, but I have other things on my mind the coming time.
no reason. i made my entry for the xmas compo in 15 minutes. :P
I wanted to say something similar to Sam too, 1-2 loose days should be plenty to make something really decent, and we have still much time, but then thought, he must be very aware of that, and in the end, i didn't wanted to pursuit the reason.
Thanks for the positive. But so far it's not that much a matter of time, but a matter of mind.
Composing is a complicated process, sometimes living and health issues are complicated too, and take priority.
OT - Hey, Psi, you didn't ask me permission to copy a quote of mine. Didn't you realize the heavy issue here ?
My ordeal about this : if you do this again, I will address to you as "Spi" instead of "Psi".
So here are the license rules :
1- If you want to paste the text, you are only allowed to select the text from the fourth character on, to make a copy.
2- For your convenience, you're allowed to treat the string "I'm" 6 times as a single unit to be pasted.
3- From the 7th time, it has to be typed.
4- It's not allowed, unless permission by my cat Henk, to use quotes out of this quote, like the word 'calm'.
I don't think I should say sorry for these words, psishock took them out of the context.
Quote from: "Sam"OT - Hey, Psi, you didn't ask me permission to copy a quote of mine. Didn't you realize the heavy issue here ?
My ordeal about this : if you do this again, I will address to you as "Spi" instead of "Psi".
So here are the license rules :
1- If you want to paste the text, you are only allowed to select the text from the fourth character on, to make a copy.
2- For your convenience, you're allowed to treat the string "I'm" 6 times as a single unit to be pasted.
3- From the 7th time, it has to be typed.
4- It's not allowed, unless permission by my cat Henk, to use quotes out of this quote, like the word 'calm'.
I don't think I should say sorry for these words, psishock took them out of the context.
First, i was like:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/v7tlcl.jpg)
for a few seconds, but then i've bursting out with heavy lolling in the middle of the night. :D
I think Harbinger got your subliminal message in that other topic too, but as for me, i don't mind reading these at all, 'cause it's so darn hilarious. We should make a tradition, adding a few license lines to our music post, to make the reader burst out. I'll try to brain out some creative ones on the future.
Oh, give my regards to your cat Henk. I think he is one of those better respected and more educated lawyers, even from those few sentences that he addressed to me, about the issue. :D
My cat Henk is a she by the way. Very educated, knows about the ins and outs.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2m68niu.jpg)
If you view this digital bitmap, the following license rules are at stake :
If you want to paste a copy of this image into another web-page, you should use a mirrored version.
Otherwise, watch my lawyers..
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"
Otherwise, watch my lawyers..
Can you provide a photo of that too, then? :nuts:
What?! You want to say that Henk's lawyers won't be able to handle it?!
Henk looks like she would be formidable if a can of tuna is involved.
Sorry, haven't got a proper photo yet. They're moving too fast.
1 week left!
:( yea, i am aware, still have plenty of real life work and the compo entrance is still a mess, ill do my best tho. Only if i could get this peaceful Sunday right. ;)
Huh? We can only submit zip and rar files? With such tiny files, I would've thought that the IT file would've been fine. Oh well. :) I'm now officially entered. Am I first? :P
Quote from: "bvanoudtshoorn"Huh? We can only submit zip and rar files? With such tiny files, I would've thought that the IT file would've been fine. Oh well. :) I'm now officially entered. Am I first? :P
yup, the reason is that if the extension is .it, my browser doesn't understand and complains that I miss a plugin so I can't download the songs :( I know, sucks...
Quote from: "LPChip"my browser doesn't understand
Did you try explaining the situation to it? Or perhaps configuring it? What browser do you use?
Quote from: "g"Quote from: "LPChip"my browser doesn't understand
Did you try explaining the situation to it? Or perhaps configuring it? What browser do you use?
As far as I recall, LP uses Opera. Which might explain the problem. :P j/k
Indeed, am an Opera user. Didn't tried to fix the problem by configuring it properly. I tried to fix the problem by changing everyone to not use that instead :nuts: XD
Btw, my entry is nearly complete. :) I'm in the stage of listening to a finished song making small adjustments here and there...
hm, didn't do anything so far. i'll have to get some OS working on my new laptop first so i can start composing :)
Quote from: "LPChip"Indeed, am an Opera user. Didn't tried to fix the problem by configuring it properly. I tried to fix the problem by changing everyone to not use that instead :nuts: XD
Let me enlighten you:
Changing preferences for file types in Opera (http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/758/)
Verb Tenses: The Double Past, Good Grammar or Bad Grammar? (http://formingastraightcircle.blogspot.com/2007/08/verb-tenses-double-past-good-grammar-or.html)
I hate doing the arrangement. Hopefully I'll done before the deadline.
phew, i've managed to get the overall main idea for the structure today, i could make the actual song whit these. So it cold be over "soon enough" if everything goes right next week. 8)
Don't forget, this is the last week for you to work on your entry.
You should be submitting your song on sunday if you want to reach the deadline.
I will be making it, and I know barry already has. I think psi will also make it. Are we just having 3 entries, or can I expect more?
I'm in. It's almost done.
I entered. :O Sadly I'm short of skills and talent so I'm aiming for top 10.
I read the guidelines again, only the participants can vote?
Shouldn't others be allowed to vote?
Quote from: "Rakib"I read the guidelines again, only the participants can vote?
Shouldn't others be allowed to vote?
I want to encourage people to enter by removing the vote right for non participients. And on top of that, its easier to combat fav. voting this way, and this way, I don't have to do certain checks to see if a vote is legitime.
Remember people, tomorrow is the last day you can submit your song, so you have a whole day (and a bit more) left.
Only 4 entries :?
I'm aiming for top 10 for sure!
I haven't got time to work on compo all this week, was drunk yesterday with friends, not in the mood for composing today, but you can 100% expect my participation. Will finish it tonight and/or early tomorrow, thankfully i've already managed to get about 80% done. The code will be terribly messy, but hey, you will hear the result at least. :D
Aiming for the 1st place of course.
I was curious of the results, so I wanted to be a voter.
Since voting is only for participants, I decided to make a quick dummy as a contribution.
Just to get the right to vote.
How do I get authorization! I just uploaded my tune and wanted to download the other entries so I could vote - how?? Please dont disqualify me! I are N00B! The whole month will get wasted! My girlfriend left me...:cry: etc.
Crap! I just noticed that there is an extra sample (a duplicate of the original triangle!) I didnt put it there! I Swear I deleted it before saving! it keeps coming back! Mein Gott! Das Grauen! Another plea not to get disqualified *sigh* ... why me
I think voting only starts after the entries close, machinesmith. No-one's got the other entries yet. :)
So still time to chase her..
I'll see if I can fix your entry before making the downloads public.
*composing, composing, composing*
machinesmith: Forget about the compo, go get the girl!
whaaat? he can find a girl any time with his awesome charm, but there is only one MODPlug Tracker 2Sample Compo 2009 in a lifetime. ^^
phew, done, finished, fire up OMPT and enjoy!
the code and most of the stuff are quite messy (the mirror of my life :D), but the sounding should be right. Had much fun while composing, wanted to try out some more stuff, but deadline strikes (never mind, i can do it some other time). Now, i'm heading back to entertain and chat with the guests in the dinning room.
can't wait to hear the other entries.
With women outnumbering men 2:1 I have to agree with psishock also I've heard you can actually Pay for certain...specialities that only women can provide! Will wonders never cease.
@LPchip: Thanks! Actually i checked the file and I think its only the filename thats showing up (no actual file attached) dunno why that's happening, devs?
This seems to be the longest "last day" in my life. It last almost 3 entire days. =)
Voting has now been closed.
I announced the last day about half a day too early, but better warn people too early than too late XD.
We have a surprising 8 entries! Great guys! Really great. :)
I'll be posting a download pack shortly, after which we will be able to vote.
EDIT: I seem to have forgotten how to vote.
You'll have to send your voting list to me by PM. I'll make the results public after I received 7 PM's.
Quote from: "LPChip"Voting has now been closed.
wash your face LP in the morning, before you post stuff. The voting will just start after a short while, the submitting phase has ended. :D
*sits in his chair and constantly refreshing 'till he can download the voting pack*
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Rabik, I noticed that your song uses one instance of the I3DL2 Reverb Dx effect. Would you mind changing that to a WavesReverb or remove it? Its not in the list of allowed plugins for this compo.
I don't know how I missed that part but the new entry is up now.
I3DL2 Reverb Dx
Isn't it just a standard dx effect? I have it too.
It clearly is. What the hell are you talking about LP?
it's surely is, but it's clearly not on his allowed list. :D
I've almost missed that part too, luckily i haven't used it. :)
It's removed now and replaced with WavesReverb. Waiting for the go to download the other entries.
Quote from: "Rakib"It's removed now and replaced with WavesReverb. Waiting for the go to download the other entries.
Voting is now open! If you participated, you have to vote, otherwise you should've participated XD
Don't forget, you need the latest version of OpenMPT to listen to the tracks. My song for instance doesn't sound well if you use a version prior to .48, as I use RC3 mixmode, and a few features that were introduced in .48.
Get the votepack here! (http://upload.lpchip.com/mpcompo2009/files/OpenMPT%20TC%202009%20votepack.zip)
2 Jojo, see OP.
So where do I put my votes?
i just had to. ^^
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Every info is on the "voting.txt". Make a PM to LP and copy your votes with your comments, from the txt file in the voting pack.
I was kind of hoping I wouldn't have to download the votepack... ::)
Quote from: "g"I was kind of hoping I wouldn't have to download the votepack... ::)
Its a small download, don't worry about that. :)
Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "g"I was kind of hoping I wouldn't have to download the votepack... ::)
Its a small download, don't worry about that. :)
I meant I don't want to have to listen to the songs... But it was a joke so nevermind. Of course I'm listening. In fact, I listened to all songs a couple of times (even the ones that are ridiculously long, next compo have 3 minute rule please) and with every listen I find it harder to choose.
HOly Sh*t! What have I gotten myself into! Even Sam_Zen's entry is better produced than mine! :(
How much time do I have before voting closes?
None. You'll need time-travel I'm afraid.
Nice anigif, Psi..
oh no i missed it
: - {
I really like how this compo is turning out, so I'd like to propose a second round after the voting is finished. :)
Basically, learn from your mistakes and see if you can outdone yourself. :)
Or if you won, can you win again?
I propose to take it one step further and have everyone remix/remake my tune to see how much better it could've been ... hmm .. on that line maybe I should take someone ELSE's tune from the compo and work on giving it a new twist...a remix compo of the orignal compo
(you could be REALLY evil and force the participants of the orignial competition to remix the tunes they ranked the least - just for the challenge!)
PS - if you Do decide to go ahead with that cockamamie idea then can I recast my vote? I'd like to place it in reverse order! If not then I gladly self disqualify myself from the 2nd compo if its ever based on aforementioned idea!
I won't be able to vote before tomorrow, exams and stuff. I have listened to them but need more time.
Quote from: "Rakib"I won't be able to vote before tomorrow, exams and stuff. I have listened to them but need more time.
Take your time. :)
Quote from: "machinesmith"I propose to take it one step further and have everyone remix/remake my tune to see how much better it could've been ... hmm .. on that line maybe I should take someone ELSE's tune from the compo and work on giving it a new twist...a remix compo of the orignal compo
(you could be REALLY evil and force the participants of the orignial competition to remix the tunes they ranked the least - just for the challenge!)
PS - if you Do decide to go ahead with that cockamamie idea then can I recast my vote? I'd like to place it in reverse order! If not then I gladly self disqualify myself from the 2nd compo if its ever based on aforementioned idea!
I don't think thats a good idea. I don't like to force people to do a remix of a compo entry, especially if I have to make it a rule that it has to be yours. Aside from the fact that I have a feeling your entry is a remix of some sort, because most of the parts in the beginning (intro) sounds like an old C64 demo I used to watch/listen alot. The only thing is that you miss the lead which was the most brilliant part of it. X)
Quote from: "LPChip"
I don't think thats a good idea. I don't like to force people to do a remix of a compo entry, especially if I have to make it a rule that it has to be yours.
I'm glad you think so! Especially the latter idea is an exceptionally Bad idea! I was trying to reference the fact that everyone seems to have uber prodcution skills while the only thing I can boast about is that you can play my tune in Impulse Tracker/Xmplay/Winamp (yes even that) and it will sound pretty much the same...which isn't much to boast about *sigh*
Quote from: "LPChip"
Aside from the fact that I have a feeling your entry is a remix of some sort, because most of the parts in the beginning (intro) sounds like an old C64 demo I used to watch/listen alot. The only thing is that you miss the lead which was the most brilliant part of it. X)
Wow! I'm flattered! Not that I was aiming for any one tune but like I mention in the text file I only heard a clip of a tune (about 15 sec) once and that snippet stayed with me for life! (Its like the `Gods' tune...except I can hum that lead line in its entirety!) However I'm pretty sure this was on the Atari ST, and there wasnt anything to watch really, just a bunch of Yes/No questions (its been a very long time)! Do you have the name of that demo? I'd like to see if I hit the nail on the head - or if I just made `generic 8-bit computer demo tune #327'
I don't remember either.
I only know how the song goes in its entirelly cus I listened to the song like 100 times.
I know its a demo (intro) on the C64, and the scrolltext mentioned something like tune 6. I dunno which subtune for which game it was, but I might be able to ask about this at c64audio.com. If anyone knows, they do. :)
I can edit your song and add the missing lead to give you an idea. :)
You sound pretty sure of this! I dont know anyone on c64audio so ask away, You may put a 15 year old question finally to rest! Also By all means go ahead and edit! (Out of curiousity will you be using the same sample limitation for the lead? :wink:
Quote from: "machinesmith"You sound pretty sure of this! I dont know anyone on c64audio so ask away, You may put a 15 year old question finally to rest! Also By all means go ahead and edit! (Out of curiousity will you be using the same sample limitation for the lead? :wink:
No. I will strictly ajust the song to make it sound like the original, since it already sounds very very close to it. But I'm actually thinking in going through my old demo collection. I still have it somewhere, and then record that to an mp3 and share that instead. ;)
Quote from: "LPChip"...since it already sounds very very close to it.
Now I'm flattered AND a little bummed at the same time! I'm glad that I was able to recreate the tune however With over 15 years to go over the 15 seconds you'd think my memory would've placed enough embellishments to have warped this tune into a creation of my own while paying some sort of distant homage to the original tune I heard.
From what I understand I've done so good a job, that this may be border line rip! (Which is NOT cool)
Anyway as psishock mentioned elsewhere on this thread...`anxiously pressing F5' to bring closure to the matter
Need also the time to deliver a vote.
I agree with LP. No sub-second prolongation of this compo with new remixes. Contributions are as they are.
One can't demand on the olympic games a re-run of the 100 meter, because the performance would have been maybe better.
A remix could be made, but then as such published on the free download section. As a thing on its own.
...But there can be a second olympic games, with the same people doing the 100 meters.
out of curiousity how do each of you vote? Individually vote styles is what Im asking, for example I did one run of the songs and got a feel , left for about an hour came back gave a 2nd run to all tunes and ran with what instinct dictated (wasnt at all differet from my first gut reaction) and submitted.
(yes I'm also asking becuse its taking a long ass time to get it done!)
never vote like others do. try your own voting style. if you vote just like somebody else, you could simply cancel the voting.
I listen to all the songs, and make a quick list of how I rank them. Then I listen to the ones next to each other in ranking after each other and move the songs around until I think I've made the right call. Which isn't yet btw.
Method : to compare things pure as they are, all settings are flat. No player effects, no EQ enabled.
Sometimes switching playback between the old MPP, OMPT .53 and XMPlay, checking differences.
I did had some trouble playing the track of Psi. OMPT started stuttering, XMPlay crashed at several positions.
But I still have to check the source of this behaviour. A buffer thing maybe.
Voted.
Sam, and everyone who has trouble with real time play, or got weaker cpu, i recommend that you guys render the song out to wav or mp3, but only use OMPT with plugin support to play, because it's really heavy dependent on the included dx effects. Without the support, it doesn't even sound close, to what it meant to be, the mood, that i've tried to create will be ruined.
Thanks Psi, I will do the conversion.
Maybe this is also a pure way as comparison, listen to the wavs rendered by OMPT.
Sure thing Sam, i'm glad that i could help.
I was rendering most of the tunes out in the old days, because i just couldn't play them with my weak system, and i wanted to hear them in their full beauty. But, since i have one of the most powerful CPU in the music production community, i am easily ready to listen nowdays everything in real time. Its a real fortune when it comes to producing. (it's kinda a must, if you want to keep everything in unrendered form, and have a huge bunch of instruments/effects)
whoa...that solution was head smackingly obvious, yet I totally missed it! Thanks for idea Psi! I had the same problem as Sam_Zen except my solution was waay different - I increased the buffers all the way to 200ms, mixing quality to 16000 Hz mono 8bit, and Max polyphony to 256 (well its says 400Mhz+ and I have a 500Mhz so...).
End Result? Professionally made Amiga MOD files (back when the st- instrument packs were the only thing available)!
I too used XMplay to listen to the songs but quickly realised it doesnt do the tunes justice (especially surprising was the difference between XMplays rendition of Barry's song versus OpenMPT)
It seems that g's way of voting may be the method of choice you guys are using - not that it will effect the way I vote (hah made ref. to Jojo's post too in this sentence, I'm so uber...) but the amount of time its taking to get teh votes done seems thats there definitely a lot of `closing eyes and listening to tune' or `playing tune in background while at work' moments!
Doesnt listening to a tune over and over make it more tough to vote? I mean in my case listening just the second time had me gurgling over each tune ... "ooh that bits nice!" , "whoa! how'd he do that!" and of course "whut? 127 channels?! ...the hell?!?" Had I heard them a 3rd time I'm sure all the songs would've been drawn, so I just listened to each song as a whole and noted which pleased my ear the most...thats just me of course.
What about the others? Do they have a different vote stylee than those already mentioned?
Personally, I listened to the first few patterns of each track, to get a feel. Then, I listened to each piece through, making notes as I did, and ordering the tracks at the same time. Another couple of listens for each track to confirm my suspicions, and I was done. :)
The reason I try and vote quickly is because, as machinesmith points out, you can get caught up on the trivialities. To me, the immediate reaction to a track is, to a large extent, what defines the track for me.
If something is an "openMPT compo", you shouldn't use anything but OpenMPT to listen to the songs. You all should know that there are some extensions that can only be interpreted by OpenMPT at the moment.
Quote from: "machinesmith"whut? 127 channels?! ...the hell?!?
haha, it does not use all of them only about 65-70max (and who knows how many with virtual ones, possibly hitting the 256 border), i didn't had enough time to do a proper cleanup as i've mentioned before. When working, i feel more comfortable to have room for everything and do the cleaning stuff after (sometimes, i don't even clean). 127 is comfortable enough, i had trouble with 64 example. I'm always dumping about 60% of the patterns and the instruments in the end, because i am trying out every crazy stuff that comes to my mind, and arranging the song from the gathered chaos after. What couldn't fit in the song, will become completely dumped, or possibly left over for the future projects.
About "setting polyphony to 256", well this one won't get you better performance, but worse, since "polyphony" sets the maximum allowed (virtual)channels in the tracker. If you decrease this number, you will get the wanted result (cpu will get more air), but you can easy end up not hearing half of the tune.
My voting style, listening to every song completely in a row and counting the various impressions that they gave me. The more it impressed me, the higher place will it get. The whole process is over within an hour, however, i can(and am) listen(ing) to the ones that i really like, long after the compo is over, because of the catchy melodies or technology.
I listen to the songs one by one, and decide if I like it more or less than the ones I currently judged. (Like sorting the list)
Once I listened to everything, I listen my top list from top to bottom to see if its valid. If not, I make changes, and repeat the process.
If I got a good list that I agree upon from top to bottom, I wait a bit, and then listen from bottom to top, expecting to listen to a better song each time.
First impression is a main thing. But like in this contest I may prefer a second or more opinion of myself.
It has the risk of making things more complicated. But not much. Sure things can have overlooked qualities, so go up.
Some things would go a bit down due to some evident sloppiness.
But things made with skill also can improve in the ranking due to a second listen, by discovered little details.
And details are not the same as trivialities. Trivialities distract, without meaning, while details are essential parts of the expression.
Maybe even having the hidden message.
To MachineSmith,
In 1996, I tried making a song that sounded like this one. I obviously wasn't as good as I am now, and just couldn't make it that well, so its a rough translation of what I could make of the song.
http://files.lpchip.com/temp/C64S%a0T6.zip
You can hear the lead in this song though. I'll keep looking for the original, cus I should still have it somewhere!
I'm only waiting for G's votes btw. Once he PM's them to me, I can announce who wins and do a graphical representation and so on. :)
Oh!
oooWhaatt! I leave the forums for a bit of `something else' and it gets populated with messages!
Well far be it from me to procrastinate further:
@Jojo - You're right we shouldn't use anything else apart from OpenMPT to listen but I was clutching straws here! Just to get it out in the open: I'm running an AMD K6II ~500Mhz w/Win98 and 64MB RAM, so almost all the compo tunes had my CPU committing seppuku, this of course was before psishock's amazingly simple solution. That brings me nicely to...
@psishock - Have you considered working with Kaskade? I saw an interview of his in which he claimed to use over a 100 channels just for a `spacey sound' (and his tunes are STILL boring. Maybe you can give him a few pointers!)
Also LOL @
Quote...I'm always dumping about 60% of the patterns and the instruments in the end, because i am trying out every crazy stuff that comes to my mind, and arranging the song from the gathered chaos after. What couldn't fit in the song, will become completely dumped, or possibly left over for the future projects.
I do the EXACT same thing! (Even for this compo I scrapped 70 patterns, in this particular case however, ~30 patterns were junk while the other 30+ were usable but I didn't think people would wait to hear a medieval version of the tune. Besides, how could this be classified oldskool if it were a finished product - the whole demo party feel would be lost! Nevertheless, it was nice to see I'm not the only one who does that (even if they are using 8 times more channels than I ever would!)
@LPchip - :-O Good Lord! Its almost the same! Guess you're right then! Could you do me a favor? If/When you find the original authors name could you update the text file and change `unknown' to ...er...<whatisname> ?
@all - Guess I stand corrected! Everyone seems to have their own vibe to voting. Personally, I think LPchip has the most hardcore-est (i.e. tedious yet thorough) style, with Sam_zen a close second. And yes I asked because I'm secretly going to hold a competition on who has the best voting style...
@g - take your time now dude *twiddles thumbs anxiously*
Done. Comments are on the short side, but I too am curious about the results. :wink:
Quote from: "g"Done. Comments are on the short side, but I too am curious about the results. :wink:
I'm about to post the results! :D Keep yer finger on tha F5 button! :D
:shock:
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And the results are in!!!!
Go here to see them: http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?msg=24206.0#msg24206
Are people in for another round?
If so, I'd suggest to change the following rules:
No DX plugins, only the 2 samples and infinitive instruments with whatever setting you can think of. Judging still takes in OpenMPT, and a timelimit of 3,5 minutes (3:30 max)
If so, let me know, and I'll post a deadline. :)
It was a very close race from 6-2 place. But congratulation LP, you were the worthy winner here.
Thanks :)
Congratulations LP! And thanks to everyone for their kind comments. The graphical scale is wrong btw, unless someone voted twice for me (which is totally OK ;))
Woa! I just came here after ages, and saw this. A compo! Good idea. And it seems my old friend LPChip won. Congrats!
Quote from: "g"Congratulations LP! And thanks to everyone for their kind comments. The graphical scale is wrong btw, unless someone voted twice for me (which is totally OK ;))
Ah my bad. I did calculated it right, I just got the wrong symbol for the number :) Fixed it now.
Quote from: "PPH"Woa! I just came here after ages, and saw this. A compo! Good idea. And it seems my old friend LPChip won. Congrats!
Hey PPH :) Good to see you here.
Thanks. It was a great compo, and I still hope people are in for a second round. Too much fun to just stop here XD
Finally! Lets see, Ha! I'm on..1...3....6th. I'm in 6th place?! Thats like saying 3rd last (which it is)! What the hell is that all about! whha?! "Simple melody" I'll Show them Simple melody (insult) (curse)!! *cue more Kanye West like temper tantrums*
Congrats LP! However could someone explain the ascii ar...I mean graph system? Seriously I've been staring at for quite sometime and I've not a clue how 7, 18 and all those 30's were calculated (hey I'm a musician not a mathemagician!)
Quote from: "machinesmith"Finally! Lets see, Ha! I'm on..1...3....6th. I'm in 6th place?! Thats like saying 3rd last (which it is)! What the hell is that all about! whha?! "Simple melody" I'll Show them Simple melody (insult) (curse)!! *cue more Kanye West like temper tantrums*
Congrats LP! However could someone explain the ascii ar...I mean graph system? Seriously I've been staring at for quite sometime and I've not a clue how 7, 18 and all those 30's were calculated (hey I'm a musician not a mathemagician!)
The chars represent the amount of votes you get for a position. You don't really need to understand the graphical representation. It just shows you how wildly spread everyone's vote were. Not a line in which many people agreed on the results. That means that most songs were equally challenged to each and one another.
Quote from: "machinesmith"However could someone explain the ascii ar...I mean graph system? Seriously I've been staring at for quite sometime and I've not a clue how 7, 18 and all those 30's were calculated (hey I'm a musician not a mathemagician!)
The characters represent the number of votes:
= 0
·· = 1
-- = 2
== = 3
++ = 4
oo = 5
OO = 6
## = 7
Their position (from right to left) is the place the vote was. For example, Sams dummy tune got 7 (##) votes for last (leftmost) place.
The reason it doesn't add up may be because one of the votes for you ended up in my graphical representation (the numbers are fine tho)
Quote from: "PPH"Woa! I just came here after ages, and saw this.
Do you still make music? I'm waiting for the follow up to "The Arrival".
Hmm. So far, Henk is not allowed to sleep, or walk, on my keyboard. Maybe next time I'll give her a chance.
a keyboard is a very sacred artifact for any self respecting composer Sam. No Henk should sleep, walk, eat, scratch, urinate, procreate or make VSTi patches on it. (or make all of them together)
Yep, you're right, Psi. I'm afraid I got a bit carried away.. Keeping firm is the rule..
But I agree, when making the dummy, I let my hand act like a walking cat.
So are you talking about the keyboard or the keyboard?
We where talking about THE keyboard.
Hm, I thought you talking about THE keyboard...
We are the keyborg. Prepare to be depressed.
Well it seems everyone is slowly getting KeyBored out of their skulls - what of this 2nd compo?
My personal take? I'm okay with it provided we're given as ample time as the first one - and if it starts a little after a week or so (the nerve wracking tension needs to flow away mon! *takes deep puff*)
We'll get plenty of time for the next round if people want to.
I think i'll be focusing on the unrestricted 4 Strings compo on nonstop2k till 1st July (deadline), maybe will able to find a time for even this, cannot tell 4 sure. The second round sounds just fine, ideas are popping out from the head, all the time, till we die, as usual.
Quote from: "psishock"I think i'll be focusing on the unrestricted 4 Strings compo on nonstop2k till 1st July (deadline)
Sounds like a nice compo, maybe I'll join you on that. The MODPlug Tracker Compo was my first entry ever on a compo and I liked it a lot.
Sure, you're welcome matey, and anyone else, who is interested. Bare in mind that its an unrestricted compo, you can use *whatever* it takes to make good stuff, ppl will use every kind of sequencers/trackers, commercial vsti and who knows what, i can work with my full potential also ^^. Will be hard (as usual), but from the other side now.
Modplug tracker is enough for me 8)
That's what i call spirit! Cu there then, ill work in Renoise this time. 8)
We can wait with the deadline ;)
I honstely suggest shorter compo times. One month is already too much IMHO. Afterall, most people will start working on their tune during the last week or will be done after the first week.
Nice suggestion, Jojo. Although you have to count in several days to organize the material and publishing the result,
before starting a new round.
To stop all speculations about THE : I don't have a hardware MIDI keyboard.
If people are interested in a sample-pack compo, I'm happy to put together a sample-pack for the compo. I have some nice ideas about the pack already. :)
I'd also suggest that if plugins are to be used, we decide on a small, freely-available effects pack, such as the Kjhaerhus Audio (http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/download.php) Classic effects.
Quote from: "bvanoudtshoorn"If people are interested in a sample-pack compo, I'm happy to put together a sample-pack for the compo. I have some nice ideas about the pack already. :)
I'd also suggest that if plugins are to be used, we decide on a small, freely-available effects pack, such as the Kjhaerhus Audio (http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/download.php) Classic effects.
The current compo is nice because its very restricted :) Maybe you can wait with your compo till the current one is finished?
Oh, I wasn't trying to start a new compo... Just carry on the current one, but with a different set of restrictions. :)