I have succesfully loaded my first sample and got it to play at the right speed,
I would like to get another sample to play at the same time, so that I can
build a song. I have been unable to work out how to do this.
I would be grateful for a hint.
Morgenblume
1.)Under the sample screen, do this:
(http://artman-dg.com/1.jpg)
2.)Import another sample by doing this:
(http://artman-dg.com/2.jpg)
3.) Under the Pattern screen go to the sample selection drop down box and select your second sample:
(http://artman-dg.com/3.jpg)
4.) Place your second sample in a different track from which you placed the first one:
(http://artman-dg.com/4.jpg)
Release the magic:
(http://artman-dg.com/5.jpg)
This is the most basic way to input samples and play them together simultaneously.
I hope this helps. Welcome to the wonderful world of tracking. You are amoungst your fellow addicts. :)
That is so much more than I expected :-) Many thanks! Working on it.
Morgenblume
Got it!
I'll no doubt be back :) :) :) :) :) :)
(The problem was that I was not adding a note ) I was not adding a "note"
Morgenblume
You absolute show-off. :P
Just joking, it's a great tutorial.
2 Matt Hartman
Nice explanation. One of the tougher things for starters.
Yes, thank you, I am a showoff, :oops: but I am also unbelievably excited by the existence this software :)
I am now spending a long time putting individual drumbeats into the right place on the pattern rows. I can't make it copy and paste. Can someone tell me if its possible to copy and paste? (The song I'm making just needs a simple bassdrum on the first beat for now)
Morgenblume
Quote from: "Morgenblume"Yes, thank you, I am a showoff, :oops: but I am also unbelievably excited by the existence this software :)
I am now spending a long time putting individual drumbeats into the right place on the pattern rows. I can't make it copy and paste. Can someone tell me if its possible to copy and paste? (The song I'm making just needs a simple bassdrum on the first beat for now)
Morgenblume
Make a selection, right click, copy, move to a new place, right click, paste :P
You don't need to make a new selection (not even sure if that works :P)
Not you, I meant Matt for his amazingly detailed instructions.
Thanks, but it doesn't like that.
I tried copy paste, then copy drag, and paste the little square appears as if to allow paste or move, but it doesn't follow through. No worry, its not that much hassle to put it in seperately.
I should have this finished tonight and I'll post a link when I do. 8)
Morgenblume
Glad to see I am not the only new one around here :)
Here, this may be of some help http://openmpt.xwiki.com/
I know tracking is tough for beginners. Of course most of the people on here seem pretty willing to help you out with questions and stuff, also try the IRC chat room when you get a chance.
Hello!
and thanks for the link. I am amazed, delighted and very much helped by the help I'm getting. Thanks don't begin to cover it.
Morgenblume
Well, I see I am nowhere near finished. Thanks for all the help so far.
I now have 2 guitar tracks, a few drums, vocal tracks and a recorder track that sound quite nice. I would have uploaded them but I have a problem saving to either a wav or an mp3.
I've read what I could find and I see that there is a thing called a plug in. I haven't got any of those. Can I not just save it as it is? (t doesn't let me of course)
If there is a fast way I'd be grateful if someone could let me know.
Goodnight all
Morgenblume
Quote from: "Morgenblume"Well, I see I am nowhere near finished. Thanks for all the help so far.
I now have 2 guitar tracks, a few drums, vocal tracks and a recorder track that sound quite nice. I would have uploaded them but I have a problem saving to either a wav or an mp3.
I've read what I could find and I see that there is a thing called a plug in. I haven't got any of those. Can I not just save it as it is? (t doesn't let me of course)
If there is a fast way I'd be grateful if someone could let me know.
Goodnight all
Morgenblume
Uh oh, here come a lot of opinions on MP3 export in MPT.....
Anyway, everyone will agree that you should export the song as a wav, then use another program of your choice to convert it to MP3. I can't recommend one, because I use a program that is only available when you buy my soundcard, since it came with it. But it shouldn't be too hard to find one
If you just save as, you can save it as original module (.it, .xm. s3m, .mod, depending on your songsetting, where .it is recommended for new people) , which is usually alot smaller (but I can be wrong ofcource).
If you used samples that are prerecorded parts, then things can get quite big, but thats not really what a tracker is designed for (not that you can't use it that way though :P)
2 Morgenblume
I think you're going way too fast here with questions about a VST-plugin. First learn how to fill a pattern with your notes, I would say. I'm not meaning to sound harsh here, it's just an advice to take your time and find things out.
Step by step. You started with a question about adding a second sample, but because of your hurry, we are now talking about saving a format.
Copy and paste are not the first thing. If you want to copy something, you first have to make something to copy.
So editing a basedrum sample every 8th or 16th row in a pattern for example would be the basic work I think.
2 Squirrel Havoc
Audacity is a nice open-source app to do the conversion from wav to mp3 or ogg. JetAudio can do this too.
Thank you sam_zen, I make samples and DI guitar and mic my vocals into a wave editor. I then use the samples in the pattern. I have done the drum editing thing. The song I am working on is a traditional acoustic folk song, so it doesn't need me to go spacey with my samples.
I think I got a little exited because the software looked a bit like Ableton Live without the fur coat. I am quite probably trying to use it for what it wasn't intended for, I do have previous convictions for that sort of thing. So far it seems happy to accept a full track of vocal and guitar though.
Right, I'll look up plugins and see if the absence of them is stopping me from saving to a wav, I have the mp3 conversion covered.
I do have a question though, what is "tracking" ? I thought it was doing what I'm doing, but maybe I have it all wrong. I would like to know what I should be using it for as well as what I am trying to use it for.
Running and hoping to take off before being able walk, as usual, :)
Morgenblume
Saving to wav shouldn't be any problem at all. Just click on [File], at the top menu, then [Save as Wave...]. You don't need any plugin or anything else for that.
Quote from: "rncekel"Saving to wav shouldn't be any problem at all. Just click on [File], at the top menu, then [Save as Wave...]. You don't need any plugin or anything else for that.
Hi rncekel,
Thanks, but I did that several times. It didn't do it.
Maybe there is a command, or a highlight I need to do. I was trying to save 9 tracks. Is that too many? Some tracks had multiple samples. Maybe I need to save those into one?
Anyway, just to prove sam_zen right, I lost my pattern when a virusscan kicked in and froze my cpu. I had cleverly disabled auto save because of the drive filling up. So...
sam-zen.....you are right. I need to go back to basics. I will try to walk or at least look where I'm going when I run :oops:
Optimistic to the end,
Morgenblume
Quote from: "Morgenblume"Quote from: "rncekel"Saving to wav shouldn't be any problem at all. Just click on [File], at the top menu, then [Save as Wave...]. You don't need any plugin or anything else for that.
Hi rncekel,
Thanks, but I did that several times. It didn't do it.
What
did it do then? :)
Saving as wav should be as as simple as rncekel puts it. Do you have any patterns listed in your orderlist (the horizontal bar above the pattern in which you can enter a sequence of numbers that represents the content of the song).
Quote from: "rewbs"Quote from: "Morgenblume"Quote from: "rncekel"Saving to wav shouldn't be any problem at all. Just click on [File], at the top menu, then [Save as Wave...]. You don't need any plugin or anything else for that.
Hi rncekel,
Thanks, but I did that several times. It didn't do it.
What did it do then? :)
Saving as wav should be as as simple as rncekel puts it. Do you have any patterns listed in your orderlist (the horizontal bar above the pattern in which you can enter a sequence of numbers that represents the content of the song).
Since he disabled auto-save to not make his harddisc full, and he's talking about saving to 9 wav files, I bet he runs out of disc space, which causes this to not save?
Try not to save as independend wav files, but as one, and see if that works.
Quote from: "Morgenblume"I do have a question though, what is "tracking" ? I thought it was doing what I'm doing, but maybe I have it all wrong. I would like to know what I should be using it for as well as what I am trying to use it for.
Running and hoping to take off before being able walk, as usual, :)
Morgenblume
Let me enlighten the 2 different conepts of tracking (one is wrong and one is right)
The wrong way:
If you sample all your pieces into single wav files (eg. you have a drum track that does all the drumming into a single sample for the length of the entire song)
And your song starts with C-4 01 | C-4 02 | C-4 03, and basically that is only what happens at the first row, and in the rest of the song, not much data, then its kind of stupid to use a tracker for. You would be better of using a multi track wav editor.
I'm not saying you can't use any sample that way, cus usually vocals are done that way, and you can use a small drumloop being there in a pattern repeated every 16th or 32th row.
Btw: Its not really that wrong, but that way you won't get the full potential out of MPT what it was designed for.
The right way:
You have samples that only trigger one note of the instrument (can have several different versions of a note to make it sound realistic)
So if you enter a C-4 01 in the pattern editor, you hear that note being played on C-4. You then use this method to compose melodies that weren't prefabricated. You can do this with any kind of sample, from bass, to flute, to strings, to whatever...
You can add a drum pattern by using different drumsamples in your pattern. With this, you can actually see the pattern on your screen, and by doing it often, you should be able to read out the pattern without hearing it, but still know what it should sound like.
Good afternoon , and thank you.
Firstly to prevent confusion I am not a he, I am a she.
I have read the "women tracker" thread and am duly warned against unnecesary chatter. :)
rewbs...I think that may be the answer I saw it but didn't work out what it was. Thanks. I think I will try saving one track and work from that.
LChip...No, it wasn't that I had at least 1 Gb and have saved more in other progs, admittedly the machine struggles with that. It was me trying to save the file not realising I had NTLs virus seeker using up most of my resources at the same time.
It did save a file with only 63 kb in it, I think its the selection box that I just ignored that rewbs mentioned.
Thanks for the explanation. I had no idea that was what it was for. I will no doubt eventually get to that.
I appear to be like a bull at a gate with this. My apologies for that. I am focussed on a project and so am a little blinkered and perhaps not taking a linear approach to learning.
Much appreciation for everyone's assistance,
Morgenblume
Here's what I do...save the module as an IT(or whichever module format you use) inside OpenMPT. Open the module up inside MODPlug PLAYER(a seperate program) and save it as a .WAV file from inside the program. Then, use an external MP3 encoder to convert it to an MP3 file. There's alot of programs out there that claim to be "MP3 encoders" but I guarantee you that most of them are crap. The one I use is called CDEX. It is definitely the best MP3 encoder I've seen so far, and it can also encode into several other formats(OGG, WMA, etc). If you're going for high quality, you may also want to consider using the OGG format, which is similar to MP3 but has some advantages.
Quote from: "(>o_o)>"Here's what I do...save the module as an IT(or whichever module format you use) inside OpenMPT. Open the module up inside MODPlug PLAYER(a seperate program) and save it as a .WAV file from inside the program.
I wouldn't do that, as it will not sound the same. Many features that affect the sound quality just aren't available in MPP. Do you have any particular reason not to export as wav from the tracker directly?
Quote from: "(>o_o)>"Here's what I do...save the module as an IT(or whichever module format you use) inside OpenMPT. Open the module up inside MODPlug PLAYER(a seperate program) and save it as a .WAV file from inside the program. Then, use an external MP3 encoder to convert it to an MP3 file. There's alot of programs out there that claim to be "MP3 encoders" but I guarantee you that most of them are crap. The one I use is called CDEX. It is definitely the best MP3 encoder I've seen so far, and it can also encode into several other formats(OGG, WMA, etc). If you're going for high quality, you may also want to consider using the OGG format, which is similar to MP3 but has some advantages.
Thank You,
I have that player! Just repairing the damage now. Thanks also for the info on CDEX and oggs. The cut and paste option is working again now. Bliss.
Morgenblume
Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "(>o_o)>"Here's what I do...save the module as an IT(or whichever module format you use) inside OpenMPT. Open the module up inside MODPlug PLAYER(a seperate program) and save it as a .WAV file from inside the program.
I wouldn't do that, as it will not sound the same. Many features that affect the sound quality just aren't available in MPP. Do you have any particular reason not to export as wav from the tracker directly?
No reason, just that I didn't know how.
Morgenblume
Oh, I thought you said you had trouble saving it as a WAV from inside OpenMPT.
Anyway, what is so different about saving it as a WAV from inside MPP instead of MPT?
Quote from: "(>o_o)>"Oh, I thought you said you had trouble saving it as a WAV from inside OpenMPT.
Anyway, what is so different about saving it as a WAV from inside MPP instead of MPT?
My bit, yes I am having trouble doing that, you are quite right, I am clicking boxes, but it ain't saving as a wav. May try your suggestion i I can't work out what to press.
The second bit is someone else's I think.
Morgenblume
Are you sure you're using "Save as Wave" from the File menu and not just "Save" or "Save As"? Then all you need to do is click "OK" and write the file name.wav
About MPT vs MPP: MPP hasn't been touched since 2000 I think, and it doesn't support any of the new features (individual sample ramping, plugins and probably more) and the settings you use in MPT (reverb, bass boost, equalizer, resampling mode) are ignored. It's great for old mods tho.
Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Are you sure you're using "Save as Wave" from the File menu and not just "Save" or "Save As"? Then all you need to do is click "OK" and write the file name.wav
About MPT vs MPP: MPP hasn't been touched since 2000 I think, and it doesn't support any of the new features (individual sample ramping, plugins and probably more) and the settings you use in MPT (reverb, bass boost, equalizer, resampling mode) are ignored. It's great for old mods tho.
Hi sgf
I am experimenting with just one channel to try to make it work
Into the one channel I have put a long vocal sample of about 2minutes.
I have typed the number 1 into the box above the pattern rows
I then go to the file menu and choose save as a wav
It offers me some options to alter stuff which I leave at default settings because I don,t know what they mean
It then brings up a browser
I name the file
it has the wav extension
It saves to the designated area and looks like a wav, but it always has only 44kb and contains no sound and will not play on media player or on its own player
This also happens with data from multiple tracks.
There is something I am not doing I think.
The module will load onto the player, but it will not play either so I can't go down that route.
This does not seem to have been covered by the wiki yet, (please tell me to go away and read it if I have missed it.)
Morgenblume
I just tried the above but checked "channel mode" in the menu that pops up before the save browser.
Twice it caused the programme to close itself down.
I checked, and the icon definately says mpt and not mpp.
Morgenblume
Quote from: "Morgenblume"I have typed the number 1 into the box above the pattern rows
That should be a 0 if you only have one pattern. Can you actually play the song in MPT, i.e. if you press the "play song" in the top toolbar?
Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Morgenblume"I have typed the number 1 into the box above the pattern rows
That should be a 0 if you only have one pattern. Can you actually play the song in MPT, i.e. if you press the "play song" in the top toolbar?
Yes.
I have to make sure the row with the first sample is selected as the start row, and click the play icon. That works fine.
0=1 I'll try that, and so 2 is 1?
Quote from: "Morgenblume"Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Morgenblume"I have typed the number 1 into the box above the pattern rows
That should be a 0 if you only have one pattern. Can you actually play the song in MPT, i.e. if you press the "play song" in the top toolbar?
Yes.
I have to make sure the row with the first sample is selected as the start row, and click the play icon. That works fine.
0=1 I'll try that, and so 2 is 1?
That damn maths O level, I should have chased it years ago!
Yes if I put the ) in for 1 it works. I am listening to it playing back in media player.
Just to check with you, It is 1 for 2, 2 for 3 etc?
Happy :lol:
Morgenblume
Seeing what Lchip meant about the size and age of the computer.
Because I had put all the effects on the file grew from a 23mb wav to a 73 mb wav. that will be unmanageable as you pointed out on 2 more vocal tracks 3 guitar tracks, recorder and percussion unless I economise.
Forewarned
Morgenblume
Also a note.
If you have one pattern, with a 2 minute wav sample, an export to wav will render render only that pattern, which will work untill the end of that pattern is reached. If you have default speed settings, you will end up with a song of approx. 15 seconds. You can add more empty patterns or temper with the speed.
Also note that you don't have to tell what pattens you want to export. Whole song will work ;)
And last note, but a bit offtopic: I noticed you missed the P in my nick :) No hard feelings though.
Hello LPChip
Some people I know would ignore me for months for doing that in print.
I was a little distracted by my work. I apologise.
Morgenblume
I'm sorry, but I have to ask. Are you sure a tracker is what you want? If you just want to mix a bunch of large wavs together then there are many much better options.
Its OK, I don't mind you asking.
No I'm not sure, but its what I've got, it looks like it may do the job, its free and, apart from my inumeracy problem with the 0 and the 1, its so far fairly friendly to use.
I've learned loads over the past few days that will come in handy whatever I end up with. I like the idea of being able to create complicated beats etc. I won't be doing it for a while though.
Morgenblume
Quote from: "Morgenblume"Yes.
I have to make sure the row with the first sample is selected as the start row, and click the play icon. That works fine.
I think you might be pressing the "play pattern" button (downwards arrow), as opposed to the "play song" button (right facing arrow just below the help menu). The concept is that a song is made out of a sequence of patterns. As you've discovered pattern indices are 0-based, so the first is called "0", the second is "1" etc. The number of the pattern you are currently working on is displayed next to a # at the top left of the pattern. When you have a few patterns you can decide what order to play them in by sequencing their indices in the pattern sequencer, aka orderlist, which is this thing:
(http://soal.org/pics/029-patterns.jpg)
You should download some .it files and pull them apart - that's the best way to learn imho.
Could it be possible you are having trouble with your sound card? Also, what version of OpenMPT are you using?
Quote from: "LPChip"the 2 different concepts of tracking (one is wrong and one is right)
A nice emphasis on that.
Even lots of vocal parts in a song can be brought back to less than the whole songlength.
A refrain that will be repeated for example.