If TiS goes belly up some folks associated with SoOn are going to try to put up a site to replace it.
Consider it a TiS with, as much as possible, done better. Streaming and all.
This project may gel, or it may not - right now who knows what the future holds - all is certain now is that we are giving it a shot.
I'd be interested in hearing from coders and designers. We have a core group - but there will be lots of work.
Also.... the name is up for grabs as well right now.
I almost hit on a good one "noindustrymusic" - but alas it was a false alarm - nonetheless that gives you an idea of where we are heading.
[update]
I ended up registering www.notonlymusic.com
not only music
which is quite appropriate considering we'd want to host more than just music - digital art for instance.
Chris
though the name which starts with a "no" is not something you would want to say "yes" to. I am generally against negativity in names, even if it tries to say something positive.
Sounds like an excellent idea to my mind. Verona is onto something important about getting positive associations though.
I agree with LV about the 'no..' impact.
I understand the 'notonlymusic' idea, because 'digital art' will be part of the content too.
First, this would be a kinda replica of what's happening on the SoOn forum already.
Secondly, these 2 strings are too nondescript imo.
'Not only music' could mean talking about music, and the latest headphones.
I suppose 'digital art' here means graphics made with the computer.
But I consider most music presented at the MPF as 'digital art' too, strictly spoken.
And, strictly spoken, even an elegantly coded program could be seen as 'digital art'..
So this needs a more specific approach, to make the goals clear.
'Not only music' could also mean that music is the center of it. With other disciplines around.
So only graphic expressions linked with music would be relevant.
Like a composer making his/hers own coverart or movie.
Yeah, but please do note that the idea is very good and I totally support it.
thanks for the support everyone!
I could not find a simple positive statement URL that wasn't already taken.
So I started to think of the negative ones. That is how that happened.
Why the rush in getting the URL?
Quote from: "uncloned"I could not find a simple positive statement URL that wasn't already taken.So I started to think of the negative ones. That is how that happened.
Well, the following seem to be still available:
www.digital-art-and-music.com
www.more-than-just-music.com
www.music-art-and-more.com
www.musicartandmore.com
If you are willing to look into the rabbit hole and use words of less descriptive nature I am sure the options are almost limitless.
:)
yeah. like super-rabbits.org! =)
I think notonlymusic is a great name :) it's very descriptive.
Quote from: "TheEagle"Well, the following seem to be still available:
www.digital-art-and-music.com
www.more-than-just-music.com
www.music-art-and-more.com
www.musicartandmore.com
Quote from: "maleek"If you are willing to look into the rabbit hole and use words of less descriptive nature I am sure the options are almost limitless.
Quote from: "Louigi Verona"yeah. like super-rabbits.org!
Hmm. I just wanted to help, no more no less.
However, I can't wait to see
your suggestions...
And I agree with
g. Indeed, notonlymusic is a very descriptive name.
Also, the acronym would be nom, which makes me think of eating which I also like.
yep, after all, I like the name too.
I thought getting the URL would present people with a tangible first step which I think is very important to the traxinspace community which has witness much stagnation and not much development.
Well, we are discussing this, so you action did succeed in some way. After all, you are the initiator of the site so you are the one to decide, we are just brainstorming. If you did buy a domain and have no intention of buying a different one - then our suggestions are, of course, unnecessary.
In my opinion, noindustrymusic - something that you said was a desirable variant, - is in my opinion a certain social position, an attempt at opposition to something.
I am not sure that I personally would be willing to release at the community which actively opposes itself to the industry. Why? Because it will be missing the point. It, just like the music industry it opposes, would look at music as a means of social stance. In case of a noindustrymusic, while there can be found a positive message in the name, it will still label a community as a political opposition. I do not wish my music to be considered part of any industry, as I am a composer, not a factory worker, but I do not wish to be engaged in a political campaign against the music industry as well.
When starting off with a project, I always found it useful to clearly understand the concept. What will the concept of the new community be? Because I strongly believe TiS failed not because people are "lazy" and not because "Saurin is not attending to the site". All of those are secondary reasons. The problem with TiS is an outdated concept. Look around - musical communities like that do not work, it's not just TiS. I can explain in great detail why this is happening (in my opinion), but not here certainly.
So a "replacement" for TiS, if it is a straight replacement - will be a waste of time as it will very likely be as dull.
Do you have a new concept?
Yes, not only music.
and TiS was a success until Roncli stepped in and mis handled not only Aswood but spacewalk's accusations.
Well, what can I say. I think from all the modplug members your project will be met with enthusiasm and support. Just keep us posted!
I agree with LV about being in the opposition against the industry. I prefer a positive approach.
But the industry claims to own Music itself, so to me is, as a concept, 'not only music' sufficient.
We do plan to be different fro TiS in certain respects. At the moment I have a diverse group of people that are trying to form a consensus on direction. When we have some concrete ideas we'll open it up to the public in general.
And in my opinion applying the SoOn multidisciplinary approach to a public art/music/video site is a positive and... I'm pretty sure not typical.
OK,
After a brief huddle we decided going with a phpBB was best instead of working the custom TBBS to get the features we needed.
This is OPEN enrollment to the public - the TBBS site will be closed.
Everyone is encouraged to sign up and give your ideas and input on the new Not Only Music website
http://notonlymusic.com/board
Although I'm wondering why you chose phpBB as forumsoftware and not SMF, I still registered. :)
because I could install it from cPanel via fantastico in under 2 mins?
*shrug*
Ah too bad.
The webinstall.php from Simple Machines Forum is almost as quick.
Since its still early, you might want to reconsider.
The pro's of using SMF instead of phpBB: If you mod phpBB, you'll have a problem when you need to update.
SMF has many mods as packages that you can download and install from the control panel. While a package is installed, you can still perform an update of the forumsoftware (also from the control panel)
Well, I'd expect the phpBB to go away once the real site is up so its probably not worth the bother.
phpBB is a good choice, imo.
phpBB sucks, that's how much I can say about it. And yay, RC2 of SMF Forum has been released! \o/
?
at the bottom of this webpage I see
"Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group"
So? Doesn't make my point about phpBB not being all the rage less valid.
Quote from: "uncloned"?
at the bottom of this webpage I see
"Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group"
Yes, it does. This was from before I knew the power of SMF. Now that I do know the power, the new website will no longer use phpBB as forumsoftware, but SMF instead.
From a user perspective, I really like phpBB. It's the norm, and anything not it makes me feel awkwardly out of place.
Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "uncloned"?
at the bottom of this webpage I see
"Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group"
Yes, it does. This was from before I knew the power of SMF. Now that I do know the power, the new website will no longer use phpBB as forumsoftware, but SMF instead.
Ok I understand - was a bit confused.
Perhaps SMF is better. The phpBB is likely to be temporary.
From the user's perspective, there's not really a difference, we at least when it comes to handling. When it comes to features, SMF is still better and I especially don't look phpBB3's look and feel. I definitely wouldn't say that phpBB is a "norm" or anything. Maybe it was. Nowadays, 6 of the forums that I visit regularily are SMF, 2 are phpBB. Now what's the norm again?
Quote from: "Jojo"Now what's the norm again?
I apologize for offending your forum software of choice, of course I can't argue with such hard evidence.
Anyway, here's a Comparison of Internet forum software (PHP) at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software_(PHP))
Now tell me, what does that have to do with my choice of software?! Do you really think I only visit forums because the run SMF or what?!
Quote from: "Jojo"phpBB sucks, that's how much I can say about it. And yay, RC2 of SMF Forum has been released! \o/
I do not think you can present any rationale to back up your statement. Some weeks ago I have researched the forums state and I can tell you today phpBB is a good choice both from the point of view of community support and reliability (and security too).
Quote from: "Jojo"Now tell me, what does that have to do with my choice of software?! Do you really think I only visit forums because the run SMF or what?!
I don't really see the point of this discussion, but since you ask... No, I don't think you visit forums based on what software they run on, then you obviously wouldn't be here. Right? You probably visit them because of the people there and the topics discussed.
Does everything have to be white or black? I've already apologized for claiming that phpBB was the norm, you presented very convincing statistics proving that SMF has three times the installations of phpBB. :)
after some minimal level of useability I think the content
words
art
music
etc
is what makes people visit.
on the other hand these boards issues are extremely important for the people hosting the content.
But - this is all obvious?
QuoteI do not think you can present any rationale to back up your statement. Some weeks ago I have researched the forums state and I can tell you today phpBB is a good choice both from the point of view of community support and reliability (and security too).
SMF's package management (which exists in other forum software too of course, but I guess phpBB STILL has this old "do it yourself crap) is simply superb when it comes to modifying a forum. as LPChip mentioned, even if you are upgrading your forum, the old mods still stay intact. Also, the administration part is very easy and well categorized, phpBB and Burning Board for example are much worse here...
I wonder who of us has set up the most forum systems so far and can
really judge about this - because I have done it a couple of times, and it was
not only SMF systems.
Anyway, back on topic...
uncloned: maybe clarify the "etc". A site that "has everything" is almost never a good site, because you simply can't offer a site that is there "for everyone". Is the etc. "a nice community"? A creative area? A release corner where everyone can put in stuff?
music, static visual arts (pictures, scans of sculpture, paintings) videos, multimedia, words.