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Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on December 29, 2006, 23:46:27
I've been thinking about organising a competition.

I've found a way to test someone's skills about MODPlug Tracker beyond what usually is being tested.

The thing I'm worried about, is that there aren't enough people interested in a compo like this, which is the reason for this post.

My question is: Do you want to participate in this compo?

The rules are partially known already:
This is all I can think of at the moment. More rules might come, but maybe not. If you don't understand something, because I could've forgotten to mention it in the rules, just ask. :)

If I don't get any reaction about wanting to join at 1st of february 2007 (I don't mean an entry, cus there is no sample pack yet, but I mean a reaction that says: yeah, I'll join this compo), the compo will be cancelled.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: Sam_Zen on December 29, 2006, 23:58:34
I'll join. I've never worked with .it files, so it seems a nice challenge to me.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: tvdude on December 30, 2006, 05:07:45
I'm interested.  I've used Modplug for 3 years now; I'd be interested to see how much I know in relation to others.  Even after 3 years, I still feel like a newbie, despite the fact that I've released an album (mistake maybe????..lol...we'll see).  Count me in...this will be the first competition I've entered, so I may need a bit of guidance with this.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: speed-goddamn-focus on December 30, 2006, 09:26:04
perhaps!
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: KrazyKatz on December 30, 2006, 22:10:02
I'd Love to be a judge. Ive been entring all the tough contests of late  and just dont feel up to this one.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on December 30, 2006, 22:25:26
Quote from: "KrazyKatz"I'd Love to be a judge. Ive been entring all the tough contests of late  and just dont feel up to this one.

I'll keep it in mind. :)

If I decide to go for public voting, then do note that you're allowed to vote aswell :)
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: apple-joe on December 31, 2006, 01:32:17
Quite interesting. However, how unimportant is sound quality? I've learned at least something about volume/pitch/panning envelopes and new note action after several years of ignorance. Are you saying I shouldn't focus on it? I guess I'll do anyway, and then I'll take what may come with regards to the judgement of my potential entry.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: CrazyAznGamer on January 01, 2007, 21:10:43
For.

I'd have to agree with apple-joe, though. Sound quality is a vague term to describe a criteria that may intrude into skills that go beyond regular tracking. If one is limited to just notes and samples, one might as well be using a MIDI or something.

Also, there are things XMs can do that ITs can't, such as fine pitch bends. Mind, ITs are still much fuller featured, but I'd like to point out there are compelling reasons to use XMs as well. MODs and S3Ms, from what I can see, are out-dated tho'. Then again, they are very nostalgic formats :D

Jah, I'm relatively noobie, so it'd be interesting to see where I'm at.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: SoundCrafter on January 02, 2007, 02:01:15
Aah, why the hell not? Reason still isn't here (Academic versions are amazing deals, but ths shipping time blows balls.) and I don't have much to do. I'm in.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on January 02, 2007, 08:37:21
Quote from: "apple-joe"Quite interesting. However, how unimportant is sound quality? I've learned at least something about volume/pitch/panning envelopes and new note action after several years of ignorance. Are you saying I shouldn't focus on it? I guess I'll do anyway, and then I'll take what may come with regards to the judgement of my potential entry.

Lets just say that the samples itself have good quality and it won't give you additional points of you somehow manage to get them sound even better by using filter settings or what so ever. The idea is to look beyond the boundaries that I'm going to set, which will be possible if you know the tracker well. :)

As there is loads of animo, which I must say, am pleased to see this, I've decided to go for public voting. :)

This also means, that you'll see who voted for you and who voted against you. Note though, that this is a challenge for everyone and certainly will be one that everyone can learn from when the compo is over by looking at eachother's entries. :)
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on January 02, 2007, 08:40:19
Quote from: "CrazyAznGamer"For.

I'd have to agree with apple-joe, though. Sound quality is a vague term to describe a criteria that may intrude into skills that go beyond regular tracking. If one is limited to just notes and samples, one might as well be using a MIDI or something.
Actually, one is. Not directly in the terms of just notes and samples, but the concept is close to it. The reason why I'm not aiming for midi is because that doesn't test someone's tracking skills.

Quote from: "CrazyAznGamer"
Also, there are things XMs can do that ITs can't, such as fine pitch bends. Mind, ITs are still much fuller featured, but I'd like to point out there are compelling reasons to use XMs as well. MODs and S3Ms, from what I can see, are out-dated tho'. Then again, they are very nostalgic formats :D
You've got a point there. XM's are allowed so if you want to use the fine pitch bends, then thats perfectly fine. It was just a matter of illustrating that you'll get most out of the IT file.
Quote from: "CrazyAznGamer"
Jah, I'm relatively noobie, so it'd be interesting to see where I'm at.
If you're creative, you'll do fine. If you also have tracking skills, you might even win. :)
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on January 02, 2007, 08:41:05
Quote from: "SoundCrafter"Aah, why the hell not? Reason still isn't here (Academic versions are amazing deals, but ths shipping time blows balls.) and I don't have much to do. I'm in.

Nice :)

I'm already working on the samplepack.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: apple-joe on January 02, 2007, 15:09:05
Okay. Hmm, I've been inactive in terms of composing recently. I can't recall the last period of time which was like this. This may imply at least two cases:

1) The inactivity remains through-out the compo period :\

2) I get to compose a very very fresh piece for the compo, as a result of about a month with virtually no tracking.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on January 02, 2007, 15:21:10
Based on what the compo will be, I think it'll be the 2nd item. :)
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: MaxL on January 02, 2007, 23:50:34
I'm in! Would prefer XM to IT, but will enter anyway just as long as we're free to choose genres..
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: residentgrey on January 03, 2007, 03:05:01
i might as well, with good ole LP makin the samples you know they would be great  :D

i need to get back into the groove, or finally IN the groove as the case may be.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on January 03, 2007, 10:24:43
Quote from: "MaxL"I'm in! Would prefer XM to IT, but will enter anyway just as long as we're free to choose genres..

Then change the song to XM :P

As for the genres, I'm not so sure it will be possibe to choose any... There will be a limitation in the samples, but if you're able to break them (which is part of the objective in this compo) then by all means, do so :)
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: apple-joe on January 03, 2007, 19:48:21
When is the kick-off planned?
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on January 03, 2007, 21:37:25
Quote from: "apple-joe"When is the kick-off planned?

When I finished the samplepack. I have about 4 samples ready now, but I want to add about 4 to 8 to get more variety and give more possibilities.

Don't worry though, I plan to give a long deadline, with option to stop earlier if everyone finished their track earlier.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: apple-joe on January 03, 2007, 22:36:42
Okay, sounds fine. I assume it's not too long before it starts then.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: Waxhead on January 04, 2007, 04:49:30
I would like to participate in this compo as well. Heh this is just like in the good old ProTracker days when you loaded someones else module and started messing around with it ;D
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on January 08, 2007, 19:00:21
I have a samplepack now. The samplepack currently is in HQ, and goes into a 7.80 mb big .IT file, which is rarred to 3.69 MB.

Is this acceptable for everyone? Or shall I reduce the quality and bring it down to somewhere around 1 MB?
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: speed-goddamn-focus on January 08, 2007, 19:06:07
yes
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: Snu on January 08, 2007, 19:07:03
Quote from: "LPChip"I have a samplepack now. The samplepack currently is in HQ, and goes into a 7.80 mb big .IT file, which is rarred to 3.69 MB.

Is this acceptable for everyone? Or shall I reduce the quality and bring it down to somewhere around 1 MB?

fine by me, im on broadband now :)
maybe ill participate, if i can come up with something.
if you do make it smaller, could you supply both the full quality and the low quality version?
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on January 08, 2007, 19:13:47
Well, its not impossible to do, but I want it to sound equally to everyone, so I'm not sure if I'll do it.

Don't count on it. Not because I'm too lazy (which I actually am :P ) but because I don't find it fair to those that can't download/upload the big file.

I'm merelly finding out if there is someone that will have problems downloading the song, or thereafter upload it.

Note, that if required, I can make something to allow uploading.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: SoundCrafter on January 08, 2007, 20:13:41
First, is anyone on dialup? I certaintly am not (anymore). I personally think that if you can Rar it down 3.7, even Dialuppers can download it (I always did.) Plus intentional downsampling is unforgiveable. In my opinion.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: Snu on January 08, 2007, 22:34:43
indeed, i downoladed quite a lot when i was on dialup, and 3.7mb isnt any bigger than an mp3, plus if everyone does a sample cleanup, the pack wont be as big.
but if there is a lq pack, would just want the hq pack  so i could replace the instruments for my own listening (or for a later release), even if i submitted it using the lq samples.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: apple-joe on January 08, 2007, 23:17:28
So it may seem like I'm joining this one. Spent about an hour last night and created - for the first time in quite a while - a piece longer than 10 seconds.

Also, I'm getting a certain flow of ideas which I want to try out again. Suitable mood for a compo period.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: Sam_Zen on January 09, 2007, 01:10:22
When on dialup, if I really wanted some file of 4 Mb, it was no problem. I went for coffee or something.
Although I agree on trying to have the same circumstances for every contestor, very noble, in practice however many equality stays an illusion, because of everybody's different hard- and software. The tools to handle the material.
So if LPChip decides to offer both a lq and a hq version, I suggest, that the ones that can afford to load the hq version, feel obliged to heighten up their threshold for quality, so before they feel, it's a succeeded piece.
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: residentgrey on January 09, 2007, 07:13:34
where is the pack, link me plz?
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on January 09, 2007, 09:01:07
Okay... based on everyone's comments, I think I'll go for the HQ one of 3.7 mb. Sound is very good on that one. (Remember Chill?, equal quality but in the samples ;))

I have some finishing touches to do on the pack, and I can't do that until I get home. Expect a downloadable pack soon. :)
Title: Launch the contest
Post by: AppO on January 09, 2007, 11:31:16
I'm in too.

AppO
Title: [COMPO] Are you in for one?
Post by: LPChip on January 09, 2007, 19:29:53
Samplepack is ready! get it here:

http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?msg=10074.0#msg10074

(page will now be locked, cus the discussion will continue in the actual compo topic. :))