Finally I've managed to finish this track. Started around the date I posted a topic about wobbly bass, and worked on it like 1 hour in the month, due to my extreme lazyness/lack of time.
It's an experiment this time, not something I do/listen to everyday. It's not my cup of tea, it can be that it's not even yours :D
It's inspiration lies in limitations of a synthesizer called "Pink". Good sounding but very limited VSTi it is. Here's the screenshot:
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7199/pinkl.png)
It has no presets, so it's the first time I actually had to twiddle the knobs :D
Every sound you'll hear is coming from Pink, the only effects used are reverbs, phasers, a bit of bitcrusher :lol:, and the only guitalike sound is heavily processed. Well, except that there is a vocoder too which is not the part of Pink (TAL-Vocoder).
The name comes from russian joke, don't know if there is an equivalent in English.
The Model of a Spherical Horse in the Vacuum (http://download.modplug.com/uploads/files/1242637482Nahkranoth-The%20Model%20of%20a%20Spherical%20Horse%20in%20the%20Vacuum.mp3)
Not my cup of tea, too. But nevertheless really interesting work...
BTW: I'm very glad to see that you guys went back to the music instead of wasting time with an endless 'licence-discussion'....
Quote from: "TheEagle"Not my cup of tea, too. But nevertheless really interesting work...
Thank thee,
Eagle!
Quote from: "TheEagle"BTW: I'm very glad to see that you guys went back to the music instead of wasting time with an endless 'licence-discussion'....
I was just curious spectator, and fan of
Sam's comments :D
I'm not so sure all the parts go together - the section after the space rock beginning seems to be an odd contrast - not so much the idea but as to the actual pattern chosen.
I like the tone of the guitar and the vocoder sounds especially.
Eagle, I think you mistook Nahkranoth for Harbinger )))
Nahkranoth: Loved the first part. Actually very interesting tune. It also got me interested in PInk and TAL Vocoder as well.
Quote from: "uncloned"I'm not so sure all the parts go together - the section after the space rock beginning seems to be an odd contrast - not so much the idea but as to the actual pattern chosen.
Yeah, that's my persistent problem. I always wander from one tune to another and can't quite stick to the main theme. But it's an experiment so everything will do.
Quote from: "uncloned"I like the tone of the guitar and the vocoder sounds especially.
Thank you,
uncloned, TAL Vocoder is really something!
Guitar is Pink->4l limiter (by Mystran) pushed too hard->delay->Haas effect. I got to try it on real guitar :D . Forgot the names, but if you interested, I can look and post here tomorrow.
Quote from: "Louigi Verona"Loved the first part. Actually very interesting tune. It also got me interested in PInk and TAL Vocoder as well.
Thank you,
LV! That first part was supposed to be a demo for some shitty vst that never seen the light of day. I remade it for Pink.
If you can't find Pink, I can post it somewhere tomorrow. It's kinda obscure :)
Nahkranoth
Have you listened to Can't Stop Myself?
I'd be very interested in your opinion seeing how you are a very modern metal type person. I think I stepped out of 70's metal with that one.
[edit] but I labeled it 70's metal... hmmm...... [/edit]
Chris
You are right I can't find it - please post it here!
I will add that it is impressive you did this with esstentially one vsti
Quote from: "Nahkranoth"I was just curious spectator, and fan of Sam's comments :D
Quote from: "Louigi"Eagle, I think you mistook Nahkranoth for Harbinger )))
Oops, my mistake. You both are right, of course...
Quote from: "uncloned"Have you listened to Can't Stop Myself?
No, I wanted to finish my track first without listening to others' music. But as it finished now (phew!) I surely will. Quite a pack you upped lately,
clones :D
QuoteI'd be very interested in your opinion seeing how you are a very modern metal type person. I think I stepped out of 70's metal with that one.
Not so modern as you think, I grew up on Deep Purple, still listening to ELP, early Alice Cooper...
QuoteI will add that it is impressive you did this with esstentially one vsti
Thank you again! :oops: I was seriously tempted to use dedicated drumsynths or samples, but I resisted with a heroic effort :D
And this is specifically for
LV:
Pink VSTi (http://www.sendspace.com/file/l6g7g6)
But be warned, it's so big, the download won't finish today :lol: j/k
Thanks! Trying it out. nice sound, btw!
my goodness that was a huge DL!! thanks
Can't Stop Myself
http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2331.0
Still no comments from Sam_Zen. Time to start worrying. Art thou in good health, mate?
Sorry mate, I was a bit lazy lately.
But, talking about my health, I could use as an excuse having had a brainstroke in december, diminishing the use of my left arm.
So PC-typing consumes more time with one hand. And putting on headphones with one hand also.. :)
Anyway (the basic download) :
Well, Nahkranoth, this track is quite gentle in sounduse, comparing to your other ones.
O_o, sorry to hear that,
Sam, but things could have been much worse :?
Quotethis track is quite gentle in sounduse, comparing to your other ones
What do you mean by that? There are some not so gentle sounds in the second half. And there are more instruments that I've ever used, so I can't really understand your sentence :oops:
As a matter of fact, things could have been worse. I could have been ending permanently in a wheelchair.
As seen around me in the recovery center I'm still living. But I expect to return home in a couple of weeks.
Quoteso I can't really understand your sentence
Listened again. I was totally mistaken here. I was remembering your tracks as having lots of guitar-distortions.
Not the case at all. Just heard Verhovyna again..
QuoteI was remembering your tracks as having lots of guitar-distortions.
Not the case at all.
It's quite different from my other tracks, but there is one guitarlike distorted sound. I tried to resist, honestly :D
What's with that old Verhovyna crap? :) Sorry if I'm forcing you to write.
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"
But, talking about my health, I could use as an excuse having had a brainstroke in december, diminishing the use of my left arm.
So PC-typing consumes more time with one hand. And putting on headphones with one hand also.. :)
OMG :shock: I'm very sorry to hear that and I hope that you'll recover soon...
Greets & best wishes
The Eagle
Thanks. Ok, back to topic.
2 Nahkranoth : Verhovyna is not crappy. It has a nice, I would say Ukranian, tonality, but is way too unfinished.
This piece, well, third time listen - I like the speed changes, wobbly bass is very good, and I especially fancy the 'wow' sound at 3:03, coming from very low..
But I still can't get a grip on the piece as a whole. So I will play it more.
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"Verhovyna is not crappy. It has a nice, I would say Ukranian, tonality, but is way too unfinished.
Not "way", but "waaaaaay" :D I just tried to mimic the tune, how it was played by one native band. If I'll ever try to finish it I need to think of something else than copying the whole thing :(
QuoteThis piece, well, third time listen - I like the speed changes, wobbly bass is very good, and I especially fancy the 'wow' sound at 3:03, coming from very low..
The "wobbliness" was achieved by turning cutoff on the ripping bass from the first part. There's a short version of "wow", which sounds like "woof". It's the same preset, but notes are played shortly.
I can share the presets, if you want :D
QuoteBut I still can't get a grip on the piece as a whole. So I will play it more.
That's why: First part was made half a year ago and was almost a complete piece. Then I turned the knobs until something interesting comes out, and thought hard how to stuff all the sounds together. So the whole track is "pulled out of one's ass", so to say :D
Jeez, I can babble about my lousy tunes all day long! :lol:
"Woof" indeed is a better one..
A distinctive time between the first half and the second. This helps understanding the piece.
Neat song! Not what I usually listen to, but still interesting.
Thanks for mentioning the pink VSTi, I've been playing with it and it's pretty cool (for a newbie like me the clear labeling is very helpful). But I've been trying to get the TAL-Vocoder working and I can't seem to figure it out. I know how to set it up in a program like FruityLoops, but how do you do it in Modplug?
Quote from: "low_tech_eclectic"Neat song! Not what I usually listen to, but still interesting.
Thanks! It's not what I usually do too :D
Quote from: "low_tech_eclectic"Thanks for mentioning the pink VSTi, I've been playing with it and it's pretty cool (for a newbie like me the clear labeling is very helpful). But I've been trying to get the TAL-Vocoder working and I can't seem to figure it out. I know how to set it up in a program like FruityLoops, but how do you do it in Modplug?
You need to create 2 instruments for this, first playing speech, second is vocoder. And:
1. Put some speech playing VSTi in FX slot 1 (in my case it were phrases glued into soundfont and loaded in SFZ)
2. Put Vocoder in FX slot 2
3. Set output of FX1 to FX2 (in General tab->Mix settings)
Play some notes to get the speech playing (instrument using FX1 slot), and send some chords to the vocoder (instrument using FX2 slot).
I hope it's clear enough, should be quite easy.
P.S. Luckily TAL-Vocoder accepts stereo input and has it's own carrier, there are some vocoders where you need to pan carrier/modulator left/right and that would be a PITA to do in OMPT.
Phew! Well I just learned how to make soundfonts and how to use the vocoder, so thanks for that. I was using Modplug for years before I even knew about VST, but now that I do it's really changing how I think about songwriting.
Glad to be of help! It's the first time my track happened to be useful :-)
oh, pleasant and raw sounding Nahkranoth, pretty good and inspiring stuff. Love the bass and the drum, great job. ;)
Quote from: "psishock"oh, pleasant and raw sounding Nahkranoth, pretty good and inspiring stuff.
Thank ye,
psi! Glad that you liked it :oops:
Quote from: "psishock"Love the bass and the drum, great job. ;)
Those were the most time-consuming parts, the crappy sounding snares still bore me to death tho :D