You know what's really weird. 2 things that I have.
!. A virtually indestructible keyboard
@. A keyboard without a num pad
I have a really weird keyboard called "The Virtually Indestructible Keyboard". It is the 85-key version, so it does not have a num pad. GrandTec (the company that makes the keyboard) makes a 109-key version of the same keyboard, & it does have a num pad.
You also have a three and a half of clubs, which is pretty weird. What makes the keyboard virtually indestructable?
My laptop has a Dvorak keyboard, a layout that's been developing something of a cult following recently. I always meant to learn to type on it, but never got round to it.
It is made of a silicone-based rubber; therefore, it is water resistant. It can also be rolled up for easy portability. What makes it not have a num pad? The way GrandTec designed it (without 1) does that. I know that you did not ask that question, but I through it in there just for the fun of it.
Wasn't the Titanic virtually indestructible? Can your keyboard handle icebergs? :wink:
That is a good 1. :lol: I do not know if it can handle those if I threw it into 1. I do know that it can handle wetness, however.
I found this page on it, and it looks pretty interesting: http://www.grandtec.com/vik.htm
But how is it for typing? I remember the days of trying to type on a rubber Spectrum keyboard, which was appalling - are the keys touch-sensitive or do they need to be physically pressed down?
Did you notice that there are 4 (the 2 models of the normal keyboard (black (85-key & 109-key versions (I have the 85-key version.))), the GloType, & the MediKeys keyboards). They also say something on their site about something called "The Virtually Indestructible Mouse", but I have never seen it say anything other than "Pre-order today". The siite says that it was supposed to be released last moth (unless they mean March of next year), but it still said pre-order last time I checked. BTW, Did you receive the song (Strangestest (2).it)? The main thing that I am finding annoying about this keyboard is the fact that my arrows (or their functions (I have not seen both quit working yet. It has just been 1 or the other so far.)) quit working sometimes. Right now the Home function does not work. To fix that I just unplug the keyboard, then plug it back into 1 of the USB ports on my computer. I will do that right now. My keyboard just rebuilt its home now (meaning the Home function works now).
While talking about keyboards... I would really like to have a keyboard where each key light up when you hit it (unlike backlit keyboards). If anyone know of such a keyboard let me know ;)
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My laptop has a Dvorak keyboard, a layout that's been developing something of a cult following recently. I always meant to learn to type on it, but never got round to it.
I only type using a Dvorak layout. (Have used very little QWERTY for a long time) I map the layout on my laptop (it has a QWERTY layout) using software that is included with every major OS...
DVORAK? That is french isn't it? Or is it Spanish? I do not think that it is Spanish. I think that it is French. Maybe it is neirther of those languages. So basically, you would not like GrandTec's GloType 1, huh? I think that, that 1 has a backlight. I do not know of any keyboards that have keys that light up when you hit them (except the 1 in Typer Shark, but that is a game, so that does not count). I use the QWERTY layoout, BTW (the American QWERTY layout). There are several languages that use a QWERTY layout for their keyboards, but the symbols (shift + the numbers) (the home row 1's) (especially noticable with the 6) are slightly different.
Dvorak isn't a country-specific keyboard, but was developed to allow faster typing speeds. Even though it doesn't seem like it because we're all used to it, the familiar QWERTY keyboard is a fairly insane layout as far as ease of typing goes, and this layout was intended to replace it but never became too popular.
I wrote an article about this at http://wongchungbang.livejournal.com/145003.html , which is terribly exciting as you can imagine. It includes a couple of links to truly mad keyboards.
Wow! That's winteresting (weird & interesting mixed together)! That looks like it would definately take some getting used to. I also noticed that all of the vowels were in the middle row where the A, S, F, G, & H keys are.
Quote from: "Really Weird Person"Wow! That's winteresting (weird & interesting mixed together)! That looks like it would definately take some getting used to. I also noticed that all of the vowels were in the middle row where the A, S, F, G, & H keys are.
It was quick to learn actually.
http://dvzine.org is site to check out if you want to learn more about the dvorak keyboard.
Wow! The DVORAK layout is weird. It is kind of hard too. That is probably because I am used to the QWERTY layout, though.
I wonder where the symbol above # choices came from. Do you know that? By symbols I mean the following items.
1 = ! 2 = @ 3 = # 4 = $ 5 = % 6 = ^ 7 = & 8 = * 9 = ( 0 = )
Quote from: "Really Weird Person"I wonder where the symbol above # choices came from. Do you know that? By symbols I mean the following items.
1 = ! 2 = @ 3 = # 4 = $ 5 = % 6 = ^ 7 = & 8 = * 9 = ( 0 = )
1337 sP34k 8)
Quote from: "qbg"Quote from: "Really Weird Person"I wonder where the symbol above # choices came from. Do you know that? By symbols I mean the following items.
1 = ! 2 = @ 3 = # 4 = $ 5 = % 6 = ^ 7 = & 8 = * 9 = ( 0 = )
1337 sP34k 8)
No :P They've been chosen because they're most requently used. Since we work with the Euro they programmed the euro sign on the 5 key too. But since its full, you need to use alt gr 5 or ctrl+alt+5 to get ? (ofcource depending on your keyboard settings.
Quote from: "LPChip"They've been chosen because they're most requently used.
Most frequent? hmmm ok perhaps can someone please tell me what this symbol " ? " is used for!? and while we are at it the SysRq key what's the point of that? why isn't that cool key with the cool name used for something cool?! :) heheh hell why not make modplug use the least used keyboard light for something cool like a metronome (ScrollLock) ;D
Quote from: "Waxhead"Quote from: "LPChip"They've been chosen because they're most requently used.
Most frequent? hmmm ok perhaps can someone please tell me what this symbol " ? " is used for!? and while we are at it the SysRq key what's the point of that? why isn't that cool key with the cool name used for something cool?! :) heheh hell why not make modplug use the least used keyboard light for something cool like a metronome (ScrollLock) ;D
? is a general symbol for currency I think...
What I don't understand is why keys like scroll lock and break are still present... And why are there no copy/paste keys?
The only use of SysRq that I know of is that you use <a few keys>+SysRq in Linux when something goes very wrong...
Actually, if I am not mistaken the Euro sign is Control Alt E. As for the frequecy of the symbols' use. I am not totally sure either way on that. I do know that I use the ampersand (shift + 7 = ampersand (&).) Another weird thing is that, on label maker keyboards, the circumflex accent (^ shift + 6) is not even there (also on typewriters). It is the cent sign (the c with a slash through it (or vertical line).
Quote from: "Really Weird Person"Actually, if I am not mistaken the Euro sign is Control Alt E.
On my keyboard it's just Alt+E or Alt+5. Like this: € or €. Alt+M gives ?.
Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Really Weird Person"Actually, if I am not mistaken the Euro sign is Control Alt E.
On my keyboard it's just Alt+E or Alt+5. Like this: ? or ?. Alt+M gives ?.
You mean AltGr+E, don't you?
AltGr is the same as Ctrl+Alt.
Quote from: "fisk0"Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Really Weird Person"Actually, if I am not mistaken the Euro sign is Control Alt E.
On my keyboard it's just Alt+E or Alt+5. Like this: € or €. Alt+M gives ?.
You mean AltGr+E, don't you?
AltGr is the same as Ctrl+Alt.
Quite right! Alt+E gives me the edit menu of Opera ;)
Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"What I don't understand is why keys like scroll lock and break are still present... And why are there no copy/paste keys?
Scroll Lock is one of the few keys I never use but pause/break is a very useful key in fact (especially when used with Ctrl).
but special cut, copy and paste keys would have been nice, I currently use my mouse for that since it have 5 buttons and the only real use I found for the two last ones was copy and paste :)
Quote from: "Waxhead"Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"What I don't understand is why keys like scroll lock and break are still present... And why are there no copy/paste keys?
Scroll Lock is one of the few keys I never use but pause/break is a very useful key in fact (especially when used with Ctrl).
but special cut, copy and paste keys would have been nice, I currently use my mouse for that since it have 5 buttons and the only real use I found for the two last ones was copy and paste :)
Scroll Lock is great if you have an computer switch (which you can use to connect several computers to one set of keyboard, mouse and monitor).
The Pause/Break key is of use if you want to read any of the information that is shown when the computer starts.
By the way, SHIFT-DELETE=cut and SHIFT-INSERT=paste.
But I guess Ctrl+C,X,V is easier :)
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By the way, SHIFT-DELETE=cut and SHIFT-INSERT=paste.
But I guess Ctrl+C,X,V is easier :)
Don't forget CTRL-INSERT = Copy :)
If I am not mistaken, Shift Delete = permiinant deleting of an item (meaning it is not sent to the recycle bin, it is just deleted (you cannot undo those, unfortuneately). Control X = cut, Control C = copy, & Control V = paste. What does Control Pause/Break do? What programs do you use it in? Where would you find a 5-button mouse? :? What kind of buttons does it have? :? Let's see here...
It probably has right & left click buttons, a vertical wheel, a horizontal wheel, & a programmable button. :?
Quote from: "Really Weird Person"If I am not mistaken, Shift Delete = permiinant deleting of an item (meaning it is not sent to the recycle bin, it is just deleted (you cannot undo those, unfortuneately).
Yeah. Its basically this: each shortcut key, works differently on different environments. Delete in the explorer deletes to recyclebin, shift-delete deletes permanently.
Quote from: "Really Weird Person"What does Control Pause/Break do? What programs do you use it in?
Control-Break usually interrupts programmed scripts, like batch files, or debug mode in program languages such as Visual Basic. Its often possible to use CTRL-Break in a dos environment. (also possible to use Ctrl-C in a dos environment)
Quote from: "Really Weird Person"Where would you find a 5-button mouse? :? What kind of buttons does it have? :? Let's see here...
In the store? :P My mouse has 8 buttons :)
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It probably has right & left click buttons, a vertical wheel, a horizontal wheel, & a programmable button. :?
1. Left mouse
2. Right mouse
3. Scrollwheel and middle mouse
4. navigate next (browser) accessed with thumb
5. navigate back (browser) accessed with thumb
6. quick scroll up (above scrollwheel)
7. quick scroll down (below scroll wheel)
8. application switch (below button 7)
Its a Logitech MX518.
What do you mean by an application switch button? Do you mean it is an Alt Tab without using Alt Tab?
Quote from: "Really Weird Person"What do you mean by an application switch button? Do you mean it is an Alt Tab without using Alt Tab?
When you press the button, you get a little window with all the applications, so you can select the application from that list with your mouse. Its the same as clicking the application from the taskbar, except that you don't have to move all the way down.
That's a pretty hefty mouse. I once tried a five-button one and kept pressing things accidentally, so they're not really for me.
Quote from: "Wong"That's a pretty hefty mouse. I once tried a five-button one and kept pressing things accidentally, so they're not really for me.
There are loads of different forms in mouses. I have had bad experiences with other mouses concerning your issue. This one is pretty descent though...
I also had the mx1000 which has the application switch in the thumb controls. I think it was better cus you don't accidentally press it. Occasionally i press the button when stretching my fingers while lying on the mouse :P
But if its so much of a trouble, i can deactivate the button very easilly.
Quote from: "Really Weird Person"What does Control Pause/Break do?
As LPChip wrote It breaks (stops) a console program in most cases ;)
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What programs do you use it in?
Mostly my own...
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Where would you find a 5-button mouse?
My mouse: http://www.a4tech.com/en/product2.asp?CID=1&SCID=8&MNO=WOP-35
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What kind of buttons does it have?
Genuine plastic buttons ligthly coated with the finest skin from my fingers ;)
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Let's see here...
No let's se there instead :P
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It probably has right & left click buttons, a vertical wheel, a horizontal
wheel, & a programmable button.
Left, Right, HWheel, VWheel (clickable) and a button on each side
Your horizontal wheel is not clickable, huh? That's weird, odd, wodd, odd, weird. Where did you find your mouse? I have tried to find a dual wheel mouse (like the 1 you mentioned), but I have never had success. Did you get it @ Wal*Mart ?? My dad & I went to the BX (& many other places) on my birthday (February 26th). That is where we found the keyboard.
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By the way, SHIFT-DELETE=cut and SHIFT-INSERT=paste.
But I guess Ctrl+C,X,V is easier :)
Don't forget CTRL-INSERT = Copy :)
So what do you think of the CUA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_User_Architecture)?
What is CUA? I do not remember or recognize that.
Quote from: "Really Weird Person"What is CUA? I do not remember or recognize that.
Common User Architecture (thats what the page says when you click on it) is being explained on that page too :P
I'd say, click it? :P
You know what I can't stand? Emacs. It has the most insane keyboard shortcuts of any program I've ever used - Ctrl+Y to copy, Windows+W to paste, Ctrl+X 2 Backspace to open a new file... (NB. May be slightly exaggerated)
Those do sound like weird shortcuts. You know what's also weird? LPChip's joining date! The site says that LPChip joined on New Year's day of 1970! That's weird!
I remember we had a discussion about that in another topic... as far as Unix is concerned it's the beginning of the universe.
Quote from: "Wong"You know what I can't stand? Emacs. It has the most insane keyboard shortcuts of any program I've ever used - Ctrl+Y to copy, Windows+W to paste, Ctrl+X 2 Backspace to open a new file... (NB. May be slightly exaggerated)
Wouldn't C-x C-f be better to open a new file :D
C-y would be yanking (pasting), not copying, which would be M-w...
You can remap many things in Emacs because it is so flexible...
Emacs also goes back a LONG way. Come on, the holy war against vi has been going on for around 20 years...
Oh, and about unix time, the world will end in 2038 unless we swich to 64 bit time_t by then...
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Oh, and about unix time, the world will end in 2038 unless we swich to 64 bit time_t by then...
Well, 2038 is a lot more optimistic than most.
I mean, we had that funny y2k thing in which the world would end in the year 2000. And then the Aztecs (or Mayans or something) chose that the end of time is in 2012. :)
On my keyboard, End = Function + the right arrow, not the End key (my keyboard does not have an "End key", it has an End function instead (The same is true for Home (Function + the left arrow), Page Up (Function + the up arrow), Page Down (Function + the down arrow), Insert (Function + Delete), & Print Screen (Function + F12)). My keyboard also does not have a Scroll Lock key or function, nor does it have a Num Lock key (or a num pad).
Quote from: "fisk0"Quote from: "qbg"
Oh, and about unix time, the world will end in 2038 unless we swich to 64 bit time_t by then...
Well, 2038 is a lot more optimistic than most.
I mean, we had that funny y2k thing in which the world would end in the year 2000. And then the Aztecs (or Mayans or something) chose that the end of time is in 2012. :)
If we do go to 64 bit time_t, then 292,277,026,596 is the end of the world :lol: