Quote from: "Harbinger"I often must listen to crappy sound in order to get the rate low enough for my system to process the synthesis, but it usually helps.
That sounds painful. :nods: I remember when i was "forced" to work with 22050 and mono setup, to get fluid multichannel module playback on my 386dx. :D
It is painful :lol: Remember im at 100 mHz CPU under emulation from my Mac, so almost ALL the newer VSTi's are unavailable to me, even if at the lowest setting. I'm missing out composing a lot of good music with such a torturously slow system.
However, i'm buying a custom-built system which will be running at least 1 gHz CPU in the next week. Now i'm worried about overload on my part. I'll be able to do anything that i won't know where to start!!::)
oki, sounds awesome! Lets race then after you got your new rig, who can produce more techy sound. ^^
Puh-lease!! It'll be no contest then! 8)
I just love your confidence :wink:, and gotta wait 'til Jojo, LP and the other big hitters enter as well.
Quote from: "psishock"I just love your confidence :wink:, and gotta wait 'til Jojo, LP and the other big hitters enter as well.
You do realise, that if I enter, you'll loose, right? :nuts: :boogie:
Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "psishock"I just love your confidence :wink:, and gotta wait 'til Jojo, LP and the other big hitters enter as well.
You do realise, that if I enter, you'll loose, right? :nuts: :boogie:
You do realise, that if I enter, you'll loose, right? :nuts: :boogie: :P
Quote from: "Jojo"Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "psishock"I just love your confidence :wink:, and gotta wait 'til Jojo, LP and the other big hitters enter as well.
You do realise, that if I enter, you'll loose, right? :nuts: :boogie:
You do realise, that if I enter, you'll loose, right? :nuts: :boogie: :P
You do realise, that if you enter, I'll loose, right? :nuts: :boogie: :P =(
LOL!!! :D :lol:
omg i never lolled so much in the morning! hahaha :lol:
"morning"... :P
Um, perhaps this should be split off into a separate topic...
Quote from: "Jojo""morning"... :P
yea, well i call that time when i open my eyes and receive the first frames of my lcd monitor. If it's 3:00pm... well, i had a busy night. :D
Quote from: "bvanoudtshoorn"Um, perhaps this should be split off into a separate topic...
I bet you wish that every of your requests are accomplished at least this fast. :D
Quote from: "psishock"I bet you wish that every of your requests are accomplished at least this fast. :D
lol... Yeah. :D
Although now that I've graduated, I'm contemplating taking off my Java hat and picking up my C++ hat, and having a poke around in the OpenMPT codebase; that way, like Jojo, I can have my requests actioned as soon as I get round to them. :D
that would be really cool, go go go! :D
OpenMPT is actually my very first project in C++, I guess that means something... if you know java, you already know enough to play around with MPT, i guess! :D
when is compo
compo compo compo!
Quotewhen is compo
oh...well, the whole thing started a bit differently than the "compo", you only see the best part of the fun here. =)
but it does not matter... you see, the only thing that held
Harbinger from releasing his smashing and powerful composing technique was his very old computer. Not that the new rig arrives soon, all of us should fear the upcoming creative outburst. You stand no chance
xaimus. ::)
xaimus compoes every day in #mod_shrine anyway. :P
oh, but his not so talkative lately in this forum. Are there any reason for that, or his just more bored that we are? ;D
or less? =(
I dunno why he doesn't post on the forum that much anymore. I don't think that the fact that I scared him away has anything to do with it though... :nuts:
well, i only know that xaimus is lurking in #mod_shrine and doing top-notch tracne there. :P
Quotedoing top-notch trance
:o sound very promising, i'll do some research about his songs ^^, as far as i can see, his more into drum'n'bass than the actual trance.
oh well, i'm sure i've sent you the ST-xx compo pack with his trance track in it. :P
here's another one, liveattheliquidroom.it:
http://sagagames.de/compo/2008-07-09.rar
me = damn2.it :P
Quote from: "LPChip"I dunno why he doesn't post on the forum that much anymore. I don't think that the fact that I scared him away has anything to do with it though... :nuts:
Don't worry LP... You can never really know how people will react when you come on to them. :evil:
Quote from: "Jojo"oh well, i'm sure i've sent you the ST-xx compo pack with his trance track in it. :P
Negative matey. :o
But that compo sounds very nice :nods:, i should find some time and flex my muscles there. :P
Quote from: "Jojo"me = damn2.it :P
I know, i know ^^, i've read the .txt and noticed you right away. =)
and that melody...hmmm... it sound very familiar to me! :P
Quote from: "älskling"Don't worry LP... You can never really know how people will react when you come on to them. :evil:
i can imagine: huh?! nutso :? :deleting his account on that forum:
:lol:
Quote from: "psishock"and that melody...hmmm... it sound very familiar to me! :P
"A - R + Y = X" ... does that ring a bell? :P
i didn't host st-xx compo, neither did i participate in it, but i uploaded it to my server, just in case...
http://sagagames.de/compo/2008-08-31.rar
have fun and listen how good 20 years old samples can sound :D
Quote"A - R + Y = X" ... does that ring a bell? :P
ill say this way then, i knew where it came from. =)
:listening to other tracks in the meanwhile: 8)
Quote from: "xaimus"when is compo
compo damnit
aaaaa
Hahaha, ok, we shall put something together soon then. 8)
Can you hold on 'till Harbinger gets his new rig? :D
did someone say compo? :o
How're we going to run this compo?
I have competition management software... All it requires is PHP and MySQL... :)
I have php and MySQL. All I require is a competition management software package. :nuts:
Hmm...
LP, I can email you the latest one when I get home tonight, if you like. I can hop on to MSN as well, so that I can explain the config etc. (which should be pretty self-explanatory, but anyway.)
you don't need something like that. we can do it like at one hour compos. all you need is CMS, the compo management system. people from #mod_shrine know it. :)
Quote from: "Jojo"you don't need something like that. we can do it like at one hour compos. all you need is CMS, the compo management system. people from #mod_shrine know it. :)
But I already have the package in my email box :P
I'll look into it tomorrow or the weekend. (depends a bit on when I have some time)
Okay i'm back at work so i can check in.
I got my new stuff on Monday the 17th, and i can't believe how far the technology curve i fell behind!!
The Sempron says in System Info that it's going at 2.2 Ghz!! That can't be right, is it?
Getting everything set up was easy and smooth. I carried in MPT .52 and it looked good and ran like a charm!
So i loaded one of my songs that used more than one VSTi (in this case, Raving Lunatic (http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2647.0)) and ran it. Not a problem!. So i replaced one or two samples with other VSTi's. Not a problem! At least not with CPU load. So i worked on another piece that used 3 high-end, heavy-CPU VSTi's.
Not a problem!
(Actually there was a problem with the keyboard -- maybe someone has a solution: when i press a key, it apparently is interrupting the output; the sound chops in little stutters. I switched to a USB keyboard and the stutters are smaller but still noticeable...)
So needless to say, life is good. I got way more than i bargained for. And it even runs my favorite games pretty good. You guys are in for a treat for the things i'm (and we're) going to produce!
Now, for the real question: WHAT THE HELL IS A "COMPO"??!! :x
Compo, n. A common abbreviation for 'competition'. In Australia, also used as an abbreviation for 'compensation'.
well, i've heard that it's a european abbreveration. maybe because demoscene simply doesn't exist in the USA (or well, it's really really small :D).
QuoteThe Sempron says in System Info that it's going at 2.2 Ghz!! That can't be right, is it?
yeah, unbelievable how slow that is! :nuts:
(J/K)
Before I came on this forum, I used 'compo' as abbreviation for composition.
I stopped using that here, to avoid confusion.
well, i'm european, loving the demoscene, so the 'compo' means compo to me. :D
Good to have you back
Harbinger, i'm glad that you're more than happy with the new rig. Looking forward to check the nice works with the more wider VST support.
Quote from: "Harbinger"i can't believe how far the technology curve i fell behind!!
Heh, you'll get used to it pretty fast, i can assure you :). People are usually getting used to good things easily.
i thought my computer was fast until i decided to move entirely to 96khz/24-bit
now it feels like it's 2004 again
Quote from: "xaimus"96khz/24-bit
:shock: Care to share the advantage of that over the several disadvantage?
recording seems cleaner
plus it helps me sleep easier at night
i'm using 32 bit for a long time now. i don't think that ASIO does even support anything else. at least i think that modplug set the resolution to 32bit itself when i switched to ASIO. my soundcard has 24 bit output, though.
as for frequency, it does matter. listen to the module version of "late-night compo" and solo the lead. at 44khz, you'll hear awful noisy artifacts when it goes into the high octaves, that doesn't happen at 96khz.
Quote from: "xaimus"recording seems cleaner
Oh, so you are working with live instruments and samples? That explains it, you will surely get cleaner sounding with increased bitrates.
Quote from: "xaimus"plus it helps me sleep easier at night
My dad is telling me this all the time also! :o Now i'm totally tempted to try out the effects of the higher bitrates to human body. The technology nowdays is fascinating indeed.
Quote from: "Jojo"i'm using 32 bit for a long time now. i don't think that ASIO does even support anything else.
I don't have other experiences, but i'm on 16 bit, 48khz, and ASIO works in OMPT and Renoise also, perfectly.
Quote from: "Jojo"listen to the module version of "late-night compo" and solo the lead. at 44khz, you'll hear awful noisy artifacts when it goes into the high octaves, that doesn't happen at 96khz.
Hmm, did listened now both in 44100, 48000, 96000, i am experiencing every time those artifacts in high frequencies (in both trackers), but less and less as i go up in bitrates (the artifact is almost gone in 96khz). Can it be because of the poor sample quality in the first place? (this came to mi mind because i don't experience any artifacts with VSTi-s even on 44100 and very high frequencies) Maybe 96khz is giving some more antialising to the sample, and the overall sounding experience is better that way?
edit: i tried it with various resampling methods. It gets quite better with resampling (Polyphase seems to play it best), so i'm assuming it has to be the sample.
polyphase is required, yes. and of course this doesn't happen with VSTis or other samples. this sample is just extremely high-freq.
Quotethis sample is just extremely high-freq.
bah, it's not about how high freq is the sample :D, it's all about resolution, i mean look at this (puls-wave sample of yours):
(http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9011/sampleoz3.jpg)
:D
Sorry for going on-topic here... but... the theme for this alleged compo is "who can produce the more techy sound"? if so, what does that even mean? how will we judge? is post production allowed? VSTs? file format? we need RULES or we will SUCCUMB TO CHAOS!!!!!! And we don't want that. Or do we? I'm confused.
Quote from: "älskling"Sorry for going on-topic here
apologies accepted :D
Don't be confused :), you see, this is more like a "preparation" for our theoretical compo, which is afaik still haven't "officially" started. I'll try to tell my thoughts about your questions:
-how will we judge? voting..perhaps? :? that sounds ok to me.
-is post production allowed? You mean edit a production of someone else? Not likely imo.
-VSTs? But of course, how can you truly "create" your own sound when you're heavily restricted to pregenerated (samples) ones?
-file format? hmmm mp3? .it or other formats may be trouble because of the VSTs or if any other external hardware is used.
I'll try to think about it tomorrow, what should this exactly look like. Some 0:30-2:00min variable and creative sound demonstrating compo with a few day deadline (dunno, a week should be enough imo) sounds fun to me. It should be without any percussion, just pure, interesting synthetic sounds, one followed and blended by another or something. It's best to listen to other ideas as well. I think we could easily setup something like this tho'.
With the introduction of VSTs to the compo, this will be perhaps kinda wide range of sounding and style, but what matters more to me is to hear some very creative sounding ideas, rather than some actual "winning".
Quote from: "psishock"-is post production allowed? You mean edit a production of someone else? Not likely imo.
I meant export to wav and edit in other application (possibly on a channel or instrument level)
Quote from: "psishock"-VSTs? But of course, how can you truly "create" your own sound when you're heavily restricted to pregenerated (samples) ones?
By making your own samples?
Quote from: "älskling"I meant export to wav and edit in other application (possibly on a channel or instrument level)
Oh, that sounds fair enough. Although it would be more interesting if you could squeeze every work in the tracker (as you do, i guess, when you're making music), but if some external work is really needed to get the wanted sounding, sure.
Quote from: "älskling"By making your own samples?
Sure :D, it should not matter if you "convert" your sound to sample. I can't really see the benefits of this if you're using VSTi or external synths (there could be some of course), but it can be a help if you plan to record some live sounds. Anyway, i would like this compo to stay as a synthetic one, so some wood scraping, glass jiggling, towel brandishing or similar recorded sounds should be out of the question. :D
I would strongly vote against using VSTs, but instead for a non-fixed sample set. That way, you can prove that you really can handle MPT. :P (nothing against certain persons here who refuse to use samples, but what's a tracking compo about if you can do just the same in any sequencer? :P)
I would vote strongly for using VSTs. Just be able to hand out the source IT if people become suspicious, even if anyone can't play it due to not having that commercial VSTi, the notes will be the proof.
Quote from: "Jojo"but what's a tracking compo about if you can do just the same in any sequencer?
Partially that is the point. :D My philosophy is that the trackers are at same "level" today as the highly praised sequencers, just using different logic.
As far as i can tell, this compo will be more focused on the actual sounding, than the composition so i wouldn't just call it "tracking compo". There are many ways where one can prove his mad tracking skills, but this one will be kinda different. It will test the "sound generating" ones, i am curious about that side of the people now. =)
Quote from: "Jojo"I would strongly vote against using VSTs, but instead for a non-fixed sample set. That way, you can prove that you really can handle MPT. :P (nothing against certain persons here who refuse to use samples, but what's a tracking compo about if you can do just the same in any sequencer? :P)
:O
One of the strengths of OpenMPT is the very fact that it can handle VSTs, whilst still being a tracker. I would say that the ability to use VSTs must rank just as high as being able to use samples. IMO. Nothing against people who choose not to use VSTs, or haven't yet tried, though.
(I think I should also clarify: I don't 'refuse' to use OpenMPT's sample playback facilities, per se, I just prefer the much gruntier abilities of Kontakt. :D)
Quote from: "psishock"Anyway, i would like this compo to stay as a synthetic one, so some wood scraping, glass jiggling, towel brandishing or similar recorded sounds should be out of the question. :D
I'm not sure I can track without towel brandishing...
how about a christmas compo?
Quote from: "älskling"how about a christmas compo?
I like this idea...
Quote from: "älskling"how about a christmas compo?
This came quite sudden, but it can be interesting, unfold your idea with some details. =)
Quote from: "älskling"I'm not sure I can track without towel brandishing...
See, see? I knew you couldn't live without that highly favored, wet towel brandishing sound of yours. The right approach would be, to try guessing how could you reproduce that sound with synthetic waveshapes and DSP effects.
well, everyone (who wants to) makes a christmas inspired tune, then we vote on which one is most christmassy.
this always ends up in some confusion as christmas is celebrated differently in different parts of the world, but cultural exchange is a good thing.
ctg used to have those, alternating between covers and original compositions but that all seems to be over now...
my dream compo would be one focusing on humour and sung lyrics, not minding the technical parts that much. it's important not to forget: you can't spell FUNKY without FUN! (I just made that up, clever innit?)
Quote from: "älskling"focusing on humour and sung lyrics, not minding the technical parts that much.
Hehehe, almost the opposite that i've had on my mind in the first place, but hey, if this sounds more fun to everyone, so be it. :D
I can assure about one thing tho', you don't want to taste my singing skills. :lol:
Quote from: "älskling"christmas is celebrated differently in different parts of the world
Well, i'm not "celebrating" it in any way, since i live alone (and i'm not really religious), but people are doing it in the "usual" way, as far as i can tell. The thing is that i don't need a specific date to express my love to another person or to my folks. Whoever deserves it, will get it every time. :D
I'm not religious either, but I do need a specific date to show my love. Time is money!
And I do want to hear your singing skills, they can't suck worse than mine!
Quote from: "älskling"Time is money!
That is very true, since i don't have any money, but have a huge amount of time now. The opposite happened when i was involved in some intense working, had money for most of the things, but didn't had almost any free time to spend it, or to enjoy/relax in my remaining life. Life is complicated in many ways...
Quote from: "älskling"And I do want to hear your singing skills, they can't suck worse than mine!
Oh?! Now that sounds more like a competition, bring it on, mate! :twisted:
Quote from: "psishock"bring it on, mate! :twisted:
Actually I had two songs but i lost them...
Quote from: "älskling"Quote from: "psishock"bring it on, mate! :twisted:
Actually I had two songs but i lost them...
Oh god, not that excuse again!
yeah, tough guys don't make backups, but they cry a lot, huh. :P
Quote from: "älskling"Quote from: "psishock"bring it on, mate! :twisted:
Actually I had two songs but i lost them...
http://xaimus.com/misc/ganja-yourethedevil.it.bz2
(http://xaimus.com/misc/devil.jpg)
Oh i love that pic! :shock: Was she really a devil-worshipper, or are we talking deep, bitter misogyny? :evil:
maybe both!
Oh darn... :oops:
hereby, i win the compo: http://sagagames.de/stuff/hunt.it
Congratulations!
I think I missed something.... :-)
Quote from: "Jojo"hereby, i win the compo: http://sagagames.de/stuff/hunt.it
yeah well
http://xaimus.com/misc/xaimus_-_GlobeDance2-BeachEdition.mid
So, while this forum-based competition is going on, what are people's thoughts on an MPT Christmas compo? I have everything I need from LP to set it up on his server (although I guess I could've just used mine... :p), so should I go ahead?
Actually, people on pouet demand more christmas demos! There has been a musicdisk called "basshut" with hardcore versions of christmas tunes around for several years, so we could do the same or join them... :D
Based on the "Views" people more like to read what is going on, rather than giving their thoughts about things. :wink:
I think we could have our own MPT Christmas compo, separated from the pouet or other sources. Lets just find some good rules, so that everyone who want could participate, and it can start right away imo. I hope we can expect some really nice compositions from the heart. :D
when is compo
i could organise one, starting at december 1st?
I'm in the process of organising the compo manager on LP's webspace... I'll get it all up and what-not by the 1st. :)
Jojo -- do you wanna collab on it?
well, if you're trying stuff out already, why not?
Awesome! PM me your email, and we'll discuss it further. :)
Barry, is that admin dir protected for you? Cus it strangelly isn't at my end. If not, I'll look further into it.
Quote from: "LPChip"Barry, is that admin dir protected for you? Cus it strangelly isn't at my end. If not, I'll look further into it.
oh oh! Let me 2 rummage in it will ya?
Okay, I fixed the password thingy. :)
Cool. :) Sorry I didn't get back to you on time... :/
It's open!
Official announcement (http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2719.0)
Wobsite (http://compo.lpchip.com/index.php?page=home)
wobsite is the best word