Somewhere I have gotten an impression that a female using tracker is very rare - I don't remember ever hearing of such, though that is not a very good comparison since I know only a few people who have ever used a tracker.
But given that the impression is correct, why is the matter like that, is it just that music production is in general more 'manly', or is it more like that there is something with the tracker-concept that makes females avoid tracking? If so, what could be done to change that, or can it be?
Lets focus on more than just females vs trackers.
If you look at a large scale, males uses the pc alot more than female, especially at home. Okay, I admit, there are exceptions. Some females do use the pc alot also at home.
Lets see what they usually do with the PC?
mostly they chat, surf the net or any other form of communication as email etc.
Gamers usually are male too, but females start to game more often too. Why don't they also do music then? I guess they just haven't discovered it yet, but I can be wrong about this.
I somehow have the feeling that males are more into fiddling with the unknown than females are. Tracking is something you learn by experimenting. I have the feeling that females use a tracker, and then have something like: "this is too difficult" and stop right there.
But this is just my opinion. I could be wrong about this. I'd be happy to see if a female posts here proving all of us wrong!
I say lets just enjoy the one thing women haven't taken away from us....yet
But them I'm a pig :)
I think what it comes down to is that males in general are more technically inclined than females and a tracker definitely requires a more technically oriented mind. Obviously there are always exceptions, but in general I believe this to be the case. You'll notice that there are also comparatively a small number of female programmers.
This conversation leaves me curious, is there anything out there thats the opposite, like more women then men do it? Cuz I can't think of anything.
Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"This conversation leaves me curious, is there anything out there thats the opposite, like more women then men do it? Cuz I can't think of anything.
Giving birth.
Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"This conversation leaves me curious, is there anything out there thats the opposite, like more women then men do it? Cuz I can't think of anything.
Giving birth.
multiple orgasms?
Quote from: "rewbs"Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"This conversation leaves me curious, is there anything out there thats the opposite, like more women then men do it? Cuz I can't think of anything.
Giving birth.
multiple orgasms?
Sex in general.
Quote from: "SILOH 3005"Quote from: "rewbs"Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"This conversation leaves me curious, is there anything out there thats the opposite, like more women then men do it? Cuz I can't think of anything.
Giving birth.
multiple orgasms?
Sex in general.
:)
Manicures.
I do remember a female tracker.
She registered on modplug a while back under the name Dora-D.
What about Violette, wasnt she a girl?
no girls on the internets
Quote from: "xaimus"no girls on the internets
WHAT?! You mean all those emails about horney girls looking to meet me aren't real?! No! I won't belive it!
The fact that in this topic the main comments is about horny creatures proves that also this forum is mainly membered by male persons. But a historical fact is, that there are less female composers.
As a counter-aspect, I like to mention some typical behaviour of female pc-users. If they are confronted with some crash or odd behaviour of the machine, they raise their hands in the air, saying : - ooohh, something weird is going on..!
This sounds stupid, but at least, they don't do anything after the incident !! While men when something like that occurs, try to act like 'everything under control' and think : - maybe if I hit F5, something might happen.
So for the helpdesk it is far more confusing what's the problem and, especially : after which action started this ?
Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"Quote from: "xaimus"no girls on the internets
WHAT?! You mean all those emails about horney girls looking to meet me aren't real?! No! I won't belive it!
Huh!? Are you also implying that these letters I sent from myself to myself acting as a girl weren't from a girl either? :lol:
2LPChip
Nice idea .. Never thought of that. I think I will test this out to surprise myself. :D
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Nice idea .. Never thought of that. I think I will test this out to surprise myself. :D
LOL! We're a bunch of silly guys (and perhaps a girl or two?), aren't we?
EDIT: added this () to be ontopic :lol:
Without getting into names there are or were a handful of female trackers out there. Some of which I've actually coordinated with (musically) in the past. Some of which are very skilled, others would need great improvement. Yet, in general, this can also be said for anyone who tracks, whether that be male or female.
I've researched the topic of the differences between males and females and their approach to various similar situations and tasks. For the interest of this topic, I'll briefly point out key factors that may explain the fact that there are less female trackers than their male counterparts, and furthermore, less female composers throughout documented history. There is method to madness at play.
The human male is generally characterized by having keen abilities to focus on one task for extended periods of time, whilst blocking out the sensory overload that both sexes experience on a continual basis. He is more likely to be less distracted by outside sources. Men are more adept at logic and placing things into 3 dimensional space. They are far more interested in 'things' and how they work, rather than people, and how they work.
In general, the male lacks in communication skills that involves other people's feelings, thoughts, emotions. (including his own) He is far more likely to handle negative situations with verbal frustration and physically violent encounters (mainly with other males) His is more likely to become abruptly confrontational in moderate situations that involve subtlty and a sense of reservation. He is far less sensitive and empathetic to others, including himself. He is far more competitive, almost every task becomes either a mental or physical challenge.
In the fetal development, the male is more likely to stem a chemical rejection from it's host mother's chemistry. This is why we see more mental retardation in males then females. Some believe this is why a male's life span is typically shorter than that of a female, in addition to factors post birth.
In general, females excel in the area of verbal and intuitive communication. They are able to multi-task with great ease as they capacitate the use of both hemispheres of their brains (hence why they say women are smarter) so long as the tasks are short and logically uncomplicated.
They are super sharp in their 5 senses, which technically and as a result makes them more sensitive and ultimately empathetic to others. Including themselves. This is as to say, "they are more in-touch".
However, because their senses are more "tuned- in", they are far more likely to become distracted in tasks that involve a high degree of concentration and endurance of time from outside sources. They lack the ability of higher logic, as their sense of 3 dimensional space is cloudy at best. They are more impulsive to their emotional responses and the emotional responses of others, which further counters steady logic and reasoning.
They are more likely to experience the feeling of guilt, even in situations where the guilt should not be their own. Which can make them at times seem indecisive and illogical.
Now, these are very basic and very generalized characteristics. Most men and women will carry traits of both sexes to various mixtures, depending on each person's biological make up. However, PH chemistry, which wires the brain at fetal development, strongly dictates the differences between the sexes and ultimately how each sex perceives the world around them with their unique set of tools.
I know a lot of people like to compare the sexes, pointing out each others weakness as a way to feel superior over the other. I strongly advise to evaluate each person as a unique individual amongst themselves. If you shove a person in a classification bracket, you have essentially removed the acknowledgment that they are unlike anyone else in the universe.
All this taken into account may explain why they are less females trackers than male trackers, and why they are less female composers in general.
With the obvious notion of having musical ability, the composition of music requires a great deal of logic and patience. It requires the ability to envision music in 3 dimensional form and to block ones self from outside distraction. The tracker itself, is a mental challenge and virtual 'object'.
The nature of tracking sites is extremely competitive and extremely male.
In essence, tracking is a Man's beast of luxury or burden, depending on how you view it.
To the aid of those few female trackers, some of them were excellent at evoking emotion through their music. What they lacked in structure and technicality, they made up with passion and drive for the love of their music, rather than the adoration and respect of their peers.
Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"This conversation leaves me curious, is there anything out there thats the opposite, like more women then men do it? Cuz I can't think of anything.
Women are far more reliable to listen to your needs than you are to listen to theirs. And they typically are aware of this. In their view, this makes you somewhat unintelligent, emotionally speaking. But then again, emotional intellect to a woman is what logic is to a man. If we judge one another on the basis of our own intellect, of course the other will seem like a dumb ass. :?:
Women do give birth, which puts their bodies and emotions through hell. :twisted:
Whereas he may feel his biggest sacrifice in life was taking that office job that pays well, but he hates, she may feel her biggest sacrifice was giving up her grace and beauty. Because a lot of women feel they are less desireable to men after they give birth. Whether that's true or not is in the eye of the beholder.
Life is pretty paired with balance. It's ridiculous to point out weaknesses of others when we have plently of our own. :wink:
Quote from: "LPChip"
LOL! We're a bunch of silly guys (and perhaps a girl or two?), aren't we?
:lol:
Not to make this a totally serious topic,
We're not as silly as women would have you believe. We are inherently men, in all our glory and not so glory. We were designed to function like men, not women.
Women tend to expect men to act and feel more like women. This is bad news which can only result in the natural will for a man to be a man. After a while he will implode or explode in some fashion.
As innocent as "pussy whipping" may seem. Make no mistake of it, it's wrong, it imprisons the soul.
The problem is Men are often aggressive in their needs instead of assertive. This can make men seem like pigs instead of people who love themselves and assert that into self respect.
A mature women wants sincerity, not a pimped out fool. But because men send out mixed, confused signals in their confusion of what women want, women feel like that have to put a leash on you because she can't have you pissing on the floor. At that point it's an uphill climb to break away from that bad cycle of control. She gets the attention she wants and you keep getting laid. Though that may seem like a good trade off, that's not a true loving relationship, or self respect/love and respect/love for others.
Men, be aware.
Women, stop it, you're only getting what you want to hear.
You know, sometimes I wonder if anyone out there understands why I don't date. I think I found a guy :)
That may surprise you: there are more women than men studying Chemical Engineerings (at least, in the last 20 years) in Madrid.
I have thought a lot about this, and have asked other teachers, and I have found that there is a relation (at least, statistically) between interest in chemistry and in cooking. Almost all the teachers of chemistry here (men or women) like cooking. In contrast, I haven't found even a single teacher of Mathematics that like either cooking or Chemistry.
And not only that: at least in Madrid there are more women studying Medicine or Pharmacia than men, since a long time ago. And more women teaching in school than men.
Quote from: "rncekel"more women teaching in school than men.
Same here in the states, women care about people learning more, especially children, so they are more apt to become teachers.
Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"Quote from: "rncekel"more women teaching in school than men.
Same here in the states, women care about people learning more, especially children, so they are more apt to become teachers.
Not to start a sex war, but in GENERAL, men care first about themselves. This is also true for women, yet women will show it less in a mask of empathy for others.
I don't beleive this is contary to nature. I beleive afteral, we are here to enlighten ourselves through expereince. You can only have knowledge of other's experiences, but you never can have the expereince yourself, just through knowledge. Expereince completes the equation, the compass of knowledge.
I see women in roles that are typically considered "Man-like" as well as the opposite. This is largely due to the fact that human rights have been or will be established throughout the world. This lends windows to all.
However, on a basic human level, I still do beleive that generally, Men and women will default to their DNA. We already see it happening. Intelligent, working Mothers CHOOSING to return to the home front.
Women's idea of success is different from that of a man.
Or may be: intelligent women and men (like me and my wife) dividing the work at home not depending on the genre, but on the capacities of each person? For example, we both work out and inside home. Maybe that it's me who spend more time with the children, but that's only because I have more patience.
Women that CHOOSE to leave their works are not an argument; there are also drogadicts that CHOOSE keep taking drugs.
Quote from: "rncekel"Or may be: intelligent women and men (like me and my wife) dividing the work at home not depending on the genre, but on the capacities of each person? For example, we both work out and inside home. Maybe that it's me who spend more time with the children, but that's only because I have more patience.
Women that CHOOSE to leave their works are not an argument; there are also drogadicts that CHOOSE keep taking drugs.
True enough!
My at home situation with my wife is not much different from your own. I'm a freelance Graphic Designer and I work out of my home. My wife is an administrative assistant and works outside of the home. Since we really can't afford the insane costs of child care, by default the children are under my care, more like supervision since the majority of my time at home is consumed in work.
What I've explained wouldn't suggest a 1950's "hunny I'm home" scenario. Like yourself, the responsibilities of raising house and home are shuffled between the both of us. For instance, we both cook, we both clean, we both teach our children valuable lessons and learn a thing or two from it ourselves. However, my wife brings home the bigger chunk of bacon without a doubt. My income is sporadic, and I have to make sure I save from those "good" months for those inetivable "slow" months, or else we scrape the barrel.
My wife has been quite unhappy with her role. She's been feeling that natural curve to stay home with the children. I'd say we both have about an equal amount of patience as well as impatience. My discipline methods vary little compared to hers. We are both nurturing in our respective ways, she is a little bit more.
But I'm going crazy too! I can't help feel I should be the one out there and she would be better suited to stay home with them.
I guess what I'm saying is working life sucks anyway you dice it.
There's places in Europe that have it figured out. The work day is shorter, the pay is higher and there's far more emphasis on family than capitalism like there is in the States.
Anyway...
Funny how this topic worked out, it was just a simple question about women trackers, now it's turned into a life philosophy thingy. Good stuff though...
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Lol, I am a girl, and im actually tracking, im not so good yet, im learning. I tought that it wold be good to register here.
Hmm, I never been like most girl tho, i was different ^^
Quote from: "Dragonfly"Lol, I am a girl, and im actually tracking, im not so good yet, im learning. I tought that it wold be good to register here.
Hmm, I never been like most girl tho, i was different ^^
Nice! And welcome to a wonderfull place. :)
You'll have to excuse Chip, he likes to hit on girls on the internet ::)
j/k! Welcome anyway
another thing women also do.... is annoy the male... and say... the printer doesent work... or... wat does this button do :shock:
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Quote from: "SILOH 3005"Don't all men like to hit on all girls anywhere? :P
Well I don't, but i've been shot down so many times, it sapped all my confidence :(
Quote from: "Dj Cruk CHIKIN"another thing women also do.... is annoy the male... and say... the printer doesent work... or... wat does this button do :shock:
That's some funny shiz, because it's (usually) true
Quote from: "rewbs"Quote from: "SILOH 3005"Quote from: "rewbs"Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"This conversation leaves me curious, is there anything out there thats the opposite, like more women then men do it? Cuz I can't think of anything.
Giving birth.
multiple orgasms?
Sex in general.
:)
Manicures.
SHOPPING! :lol:
Quote from: "wolfe_2k4"Quote from: "rewbs"Quote from: "SILOH 3005"Quote from: "rewbs"Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"This conversation leaves me curious, is there anything out there thats the opposite, like more women then men do it? Cuz I can't think of anything.
Giving birth.
multiple orgasms?
Sex in general.
:)
Manicures.
SHOPPING! :lol:
More than one thing at a time
Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "wolfe_2k4"Quote from: "rewbs"Quote from: "SILOH 3005"Quote from: "rewbs"Quote from: "speed-goddamn-focus"Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"This conversation leaves me curious, is there anything out there thats the opposite, like more women then men do it? Cuz I can't think of anything.
Giving birth.
multiple orgasms?
Sex in general.
:)
Manicures.
SHOPPING! :lol:
More than one thing at a time
Seeing things in different perspective. Famous example, that has been put in a brilliant commercial in NL:
She: Hunny, do I have a fat ass?
He: No
She: So I have a fat ass!
He: No, I said you don't have a fat ass.
She: Yes, when I ask for it. This is going to be a great weekend. :?
:lol:
back on topic:
i know a girl tracking music - my girl-friend
:shock:
she used to use my old pc when i was out. when she got more into it, she even used to occupy my seat when i was at home.
so i bought her an old ms-dos-pc just for her own use (was lovely 30 euro back in those years)...
[same happened when she saw me playing CIV for the first time :x]
meekins down at yomi records is a girl... loads of girls in tracking and digital music... just got to know where to find them ;)
Maybe the first question here is : why aren't there many female members of this forum ?
I once explained tracking with FastTracker II to my daughter, and she was capable of making some nice pieces after a short time. But after that she went on doing other things.
I wonder, how would a tracker-app would look like if a female programmer would have made it ?
it would hav been complicated :)
It would have been pink. :D
As far as I know, the way women put order in their things is a complete and unsolvable mistery for men. And I think it is also the other way round; women can't understand the really easy way we put our things in order. So, an application made for women would probably be useless for men, only for women, just as apps made by men tend to be used only by men.
To go semi-off topic, and since most of us are men, I got a question.
Whats the dumbest thing a girl has ever made you do? And getting married doesn't count :lol:
My answer would be semi-serious and it would be drop out of school.
Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"To go semi-off topic, and since most of us are men, I got a question.
Whats the dumbest thing a girl has ever made you do? And getting married doesn't count :lol:
make me beleive that everything stupid that happens in this world is a direct cause of being a man. Most arguments between men and women end up like this..."you're right dear". You know that isn't the woman.
Quote from: "rncekel"As far as I know, the way women put order in their things is a complete and unsolvable mistery for men. And I think it is also the other way round; women can't understand the really easy way we put our things in order. So, an application made for women would probably be useless for men, only for women, just as apps made by men tend to be used only by men.
Hahahah... :D You guys are impossible.
Well realistically, I think while I have been good at tampering with electronical devices since birth and I've only seen a few examples of girls doing quite the same, you can see that most girls who have technical jobs are impossibly better at truning around numbers and doing those things quickly than I ever would have been.
While the question what a tracker-app would be like if a girl made it is sort of funny, I think... First of rule, nothing saying it would be any diffirent than as it is now. Maybe supplied with a pink bunnies / cats skin by default yeah, lol. Maybe it would have less ugly stacked buttons, no hex and the keyboard layout fully compatible with input only thru the numpad, hehe. It would probably be more purpose-built... aaand it would be open source from the beggining so somebody could do the code snippets that they couldn't have figured out... :lol:
Okay, nuff sillyness... does anybody know any female software devolopers? I know one or two girls who work with electonics and I might add, quite well.
I got a serious question about what you guys think about something about women (yes, I actually said "about" 3 times in one sentence). Just thought I would get some input as to why.
Ok, I'm 27, and I've had some experience with women. Most of it bad of course, but some good. In my 27 years, I've noticed something. When women are choosing a mate, they tend to pay attention to stupid things. Such as what kind of car you drive, if you have a job, what you look like, if you live alone, and damn I can't think of the others, but I KNOW you know what I'm talking about. I tell them the same thing every time "That stuff has nothing to do with whether you will have a happy, lasting relationship". Here's my question: Why? Why does this crap matter? What does it mean?
Even though this is a serious question, I expect the usual anti-women stuff to show up, so as long as it's funny or true, go for it! But really, does anyone know why?
I've actually had some discussions with females about this subject. They seem to do this instinctly, because they are looking for a stable environment for when they get pregnant. They'll look about things like: will this man be a good father to the child and will it be possible to get the child strong and old... (stuff like that)
If the man isn't able to produce enough money, they fear that the child will miss something.
Wow, that actually made sense. But not all women I am hearing this from want children. Although it's very hard to find a woman who doesn't want kids :(
I find women want guys who are sensitive... and have emotions... that kinda thing. And im 14 and i already know that :P
I find those women are full of shit, because I am a nice guy and I have rarely had girlfriends. My brother is an asshole who beats his women and cheats on them, then rubs that in their faces, and he has had many many many many girlfriends, some even long term. But I don't blame you Cruk, when I was 14, I thought that's what women wanted too, thats why I conditioned myself to become a nice guy, just to find out it was a waste of time. Man, i hate myself sometimes :lol:
PS: Can you guys tell I love to get personal? :P
Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"PS: Can you guys tell I love to get personal? :P
Uh, I think I can...
"I love to get personal?" :lol:
Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"PS: Can you guys tell I love to get personal? :P
Uh, I think I can...
"I love to get personal?" :lol:
Yeah, sorry about getting personal on your forums, but I have few friends to talk to, can ya tell? 8)
Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "Squirrel Havoc"PS: Can you guys tell I love to get personal? :P
Uh, I think I can...
"I love to get personal?" :lol:
Yeah, sorry about getting personal on your forums, but I have few friends to talk to, can ya tell? 8)
Hey, its cool. A discussion board is to express yourself using words. I just make sure it keeps being clean ;)
LOL: Someone to me: What do you do in your spare time? I clean stuff. Guy: Oh? what do you clean? Me: Forums :P :lol:
Well if you mean clean as in profane language, I might break that one every once in a while, to make a point. But if you mean clean as in non-sexual, don't worry, I won't go there :oops:
Maybe this helps you: when I was 27 I thought and felt like you now (more or less). Then, (in January) I met a girl and we hated each other inmediately. We didn't met until the next month (February) at a ballet, and we thought that it wasn't so bad. We began to met each weekend, to go with a pair of friends of us. And in May we decide to marry next October (I remember when I told my mother I was going to marry; her question was "Whom?"). And we made it; 21 years after that we are still together, and happy (more or less).
music composing is mostly men throughout history of mankind. i think that explains lack of girls tracking music.
Quote from: "Louigi Verona"music composing is mostly men throughout history of mankind. i think that explains lack of girls tracking music.
True, but women have had different kinds of roles in history, now they do the same things men do
It's quite obvious that the percentage of women involved in tracking or composing in general will be a minor one.
One of the reasons of course being that the shape, the rules, the presence, of such tools, is made by men.
Maybe a more appealing question would be :
Is there any significant difference in reception between males and females if you present your composition ?