LINK to original topic with proposal: http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=1191.0
DOWNLOAD The samplepack here: http://lpchip.com/sharing/MPTC_2007.rar (3.70 MB)
DOWNLOAD To the votepack here: http://files.lpchip.com/compos/mpcompo2007/VOTE%20PACK.zip (7 MB)
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And the results... :)
Pt. Artist
38 Waxhead
32 CrazyAznGamer
31 Xaimus
20 Georg
20 Sam_Zen
17 tvdude
10 LPChip
Congrats Waxhead! :) A deserved win I'd say.
Song Comments:Song1-gravolution.xm (2nd place)
- Sad and unharmonic start but picks up later. Great drums!
- Nice variations and techniques used.
- Started promising, but halfway it seemed like a second song started, so it lost some cohesion.
- nice beats and atmos. good use of volume and filters. some parts were great. riff-samples were usually below average.
- Neat
- Excellent song. Stylish and well writtin.
- FROM ARTIST: Long and crappy crap.
Song2-Sam_Zen - scattered_flow.xm (Shared 4th place)
- Supercool start!!! (nice phazing), but too boring.
- I'm not a big fan or experimentalism. Melodic vibe fixes enough though.
- Opening and ornaments nice, needs moar percussion variations.
- good beats, but you lose points for using stock "unchopped" loops. better use of volume cmds and filters would help too. good use of smaples throughout.
- alright
- Excellent beginning. Great composition for the opening credits of an espionage movie.
- FROM ARTIST: Too simple and definetely wrong tempo.
Song3-The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007 the ps project.it (6th place)
- Good rythm. A bit monotome tough
- I miss a twistpoint where the song changes in a different direction.
- Less predictability would be nice.
- Good, compact song, lacking surprise a bit.
- not very creative use of samples. GOOD atmos. good buildup but the mid to end part is not very good.
- Boring. :(
- FROM ARTIST: Super boring. No zxx used since the moron who wrote it read the rules wrong. Composer should be shot on sight.
Song4-Free Run.it (7th place)
- To "simple" and monotome
enough.
- Would be enjoyable sans other similar entries.
- Nothing much to say. A decent exposition of the available material.
- least creative of the lot, but solid tracking.
- boring
- Great beat! A bit short.
- FROM ARTIST: Was more made to test if the samples were good
Song5-The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007.it (1st place)
- Great use of the possibilities! I really liked it.
- Very nice percussion, and I love some of the lines in there.
- Intimate track with a nice tune, having the proper length
- most creative. oodles of funk. howls were too loud, and i'd like to see some panning done, but that's a minor offense. winner by a mile an 1/2
- awesome
- In a league of its own. Amazing; very creative and stylish. Great Knowledge of OMT.
- FROM ARTIST: Short, unpolished and a crappy ending.
Song6-righto.it (3rd place)
- Sounds totaly different from the other contributions! Great "transformation"
- I knew it was possible but still I'm amased on how well you did it. Not my style though?
- I'll be lookin out for ya xaimus ;D No comment needed.
- Sloppy start. Great, but in potential, because it's more some sketches than a drawing.
- excellent "skeleton" of a track. if it wasn't hastily tracked maybe it would have some real meat. great potential. you get extra points for sounding nothing like the rest.
- Also Atmospheric and moody. Great ideas in the song, a bit disjointed though.
- FROM ARTIST: crap
Song7-ECV.it (shared 4th place)
- Way to long and boring, Nice rythm tough!
- Nice atmosphere, clicks are bad though.
- Actually, I like the clicks, they add that surrealist experimentalist thing in there.... but meh.
- Too long. The last part at lower speed would have been sufficient. Rest predictable with awful ticks.
- cool
- Atmospheric and moody. Great beat. I love it. A bit long.
- FROM ARTIST: work harder man.
Compo is over! :)UPLOAD your entry here:
http://upload.lpchip.com/mpcompo/index.php
username: mpcompo
password: upload
Note: after uploading you won't be able to download/remove your entry.Competition started: januari 10th
Competition deadline: februari 10th (unless everyone agrees to end it
earlier)
Handy Information:The samplepack contains alot of long samples. In order to be able to track at 2 different speeds, you can use the following information:
Samples at C-5 using tempo 125 (T7D) for a chillout song or
Samples at D#5 using tempo 149 (T95) for a breakbeat song.
RULES:
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You can only use MODPlug Tracker
You'll get an .it file which you'll have to work with.
Sample pack will be provided through the .it file
You cannot add nor change the samples in any way.
There are no restrictions in the instruments at all.
No use of VST effects and neither VST Instruments. (that includes the DX
Media effects)
Sound Quality is NOT important.
Your submission cannot be a rendered mp3, but has to be your module.
Although I don't see a point in it, you are allowed to submit any kind of
module that MODPlug Tracker can open, but it won't get you extra points for
skills if you choose a hard format.
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VOTING:
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Voting will be done publicly, which means: when everyone has heard the songs, they rate the songs from top to bottom, putting the best song on top, and the worst song on the bottom. I have made a song myself too (already, and used it to test the samplepack) Although I won't really participate in the compo, you'll have to judge that song in the same manner. Its just that if I end up 1st, the 2nd place wins. :)
You will have to use OpenMPT version RC2 or later (latest beta preferred) to vote.
Aside from putting each song in an ordered list, you also have to give a one line comment about that song. Can be something you liked, hated or both.
If you don't vote, you will be disqualified from the compo.
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Once voting is done, we'll exchange experiences :)
Good luck everyone. Oh, and if I forgot something, or something is not clear, let me know.
so we cant chop the drumloops and sequences? :\
or add loop points to the samples?
also, can the comments be longer than one line? or only one line.
Ahem:
Post subject: [COMPO] The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2006 ???!!!
:) Already did some file-renaming anyway..
Quote from: "Snu"so we cant chop the drumloops and sequences? :\
or add loop points to the samples?
*cough* OFFSET! *coughcough*
EDIT: Although I would be upset to see looping banned
This is gonna be sweet. Having trouble with the RAR, though. I'll try it again. You also may want to make it clear (not sure if it is) that you need WinRar for the file.
DUB EDIT: I lied...apparently WinZip can handle rars now?
No need for WinRar, or whatsoever, with Total Commander running.
EDIT : There is a tick in the loop-transition of sample 7. Am I allowed to remove that ?
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"No need for WinRar, or whatsoever, with Total Commander running.
EDIT : There is a tick in the loop-transition of sample 7. Am I allowed to remove that ?
indeed, thats the biggest thing i was worried about... driving me nuts.
and yah, i already have messed with offset on the samples, soundcrafter, just chopping would make it a LOT easier...
Sam_Zen has pointed out to me that indeed a few samples are badly looped. Kind of odd cus I was so sure they were set right.
I'll make you a deal.
Tell me what you want to be changed, and I'll say if its allowed.
I don't want the samples to be changed dramatically (like cutting of a part etc) but in this case, the loop that has a tick, is fine to be changed.
And yeah, it should be 2007 :P My bad :)
When I get home tonight, I'll loop through the file once more and make changes where necessary. You can then download a newer samplepack with the right changes made.
Sorry for these flaws...
Quote from: "Snu"i already have messed with offset on the samples, soundcrafter, just chopping would make it a LOT easier...
It would, but thats not the point of this compo ;) Its this reason why its not allowed actually.
I disliked the type of samples; too 'fixed' for my liking. A bit like a few parts of the track is already composed. Not too important if this is for a couple of samples only, but in this case, it was so for almost all of them.
However, I did end up with a piece last night, I just have to see if I am able to polish or edit it so it reaches a level worth submitting.
Quote from: "apple-joe"I disliked the type of samples; too 'fixed' for my liking. A bit like a few parts of the track is already composed. Not too important if this is for a couple of samples only, but in this case, it was so for almost all of them.
However, I did end up with a piece last night, I just have to see if I am able to polish or edit it so it reaches a level worth submitting.
Thats the entire point. Its very fixed. Can you break those boundaries and make something cool? Remember, everyone has the same samples and the same boundaries. See it as a learning experience ;)
I honestly like this fixed samples. Instead of focusing on what am I going to make now you can instead focus on what (on earth) can I do with theese samples.
I also agree that it's "too fixed" but hey I like that hehe ;) I bet everyone experienced with old Pro/Noise/Soundtracker modules will feel at home here hehe!
PS! Where do I submit the module ?!
Well, I did after all end up with a piece, as I wanted to consider it a challenge. Still, I will have a closer look at it in order to see if there are any possibillities for enhancing it so it ends up "send-able".
The problem was just that I didn't find, for instance, a simple bass note; there was a bass sample, but there was already the bass line as well. I wanted to create something myself. Anyway, after a few moments, I decided to have a go after all, and see if I could exceed my creativity level somehow, and create something. As mention, I did, but we'll see if it it gets submitted in the end.
I'll make an upload script between now and this weekend (probably tomorrow) and give a link here for upload. :)
The samplepack has been updated and where possible the clicks have been removed.
The first post has been updated aswell, but if you're too lazy to scroll up, then click here: http://lpchip.com/sharing/MPTC_2007.rar (3.70 MB)
awesome
Since it's so restricted maybe you can use it for the song creation tutorial on the MPT wiki. :)
While I was removing the click of sample 7 anyway (no need to cut anything shorter), I checked the other samples as well.
I noticed 3 samples as the longest sequences, with the obvious intention to have the same length : 3 - 7 - 8
Many other samples were supposed to be the half of that length : 1 - 2 and 9 to 15.
Samples 4 - 5 - 6 seem to have no number relationship to this.
But those sequence- and riff-lengths were not always the same. Maybe I'm a freak, but if it's possible to have it exact, I want it exact.
So I tuned some bytes to make each file of the group having exactly the same amount of samples.
EDIT : Link removed.
I don't think it's a good idea to fix the samples. Why?!
First of all sound quality was not important and messing around with the samples was forbidden. I think we should just work with what we got.
Would changing the sampling rate (not resampling--just changing the tuning) on some of the samples be acceptable?
...not participating, because i don't like the rules...
Quote from: "xaimus"Would changing the sampling rate (not resampling--just changing the tuning) on some of the samples be acceptable?
Hmm, Yeah, that is allowed. It's not in combat with the objective.
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"While I was removing the click of sample 7 anyway (no need to cut anything shorter), I checked the other samples as well.
I noticed 3 samples as the longest sequences, with the obvious intention to have the same length : 3 - 7 - 8
Many other samples were supposed to be the half of that length : 1 - 2 and 9 to 15.
Samples 4 - 5 - 6 seem to have no number relationship to this.
But those sequence- and riff-lengths were not always the same. Maybe I'm a freak, but if it's possible to have it exact, I want it exact.
So I tuned some bytes to make each file of the group having exactly the same amount of samples. With consensus of LPChip, you can find these versions here :
http://www.louigiverona.com/webarchive/samzen/download/lpchip/mpt_compo.zip
File is not an .IT, so a bit bigger, 5.3 Mb. Just the zipped wavs.
You can also download the newer samplepack. I have fixed these samples based on sam_zen's wave's.
So I removed the link to the pack mentioned above.
2 Waxhead
Fixing an undesired tick in the transition of a loop has nothing to do with sound quality or messing around with a sample.
The content stays the same, it's just a matter of setting the first and last sample-moment of the sound on a zero DC level.
You can have a high quality sound-source to an amplifier, but a crappy connector can spoil the fun. It has to be repaired.
And a loop connects the last point with the first point of the wave. So this must be a smooth transition.
When finetuning the common length, on some files I only had to remove 1 or 2 'samples' from the end. A difference of
1/22050 sec. Not quite detectable, I think.
2 Sam_zen:
As I see it the point with this contest was to find out who was able to make the most out of the samplepack we got. Therefore I personaly don't se the point in modifying the samples especially since soundquality was not important to the contest.
Maybe someone even found a use for that click in their song!? very unlikely actually but regardless the samplepack is not the original even if it's just a few bytes off.
Also I don't like the idea of a "fixed" samplepack either, but this is just me and my psycotic view on things ;)
Anyway ... I'm sticking with the original samplepack (as long as everyone is ok with that) even if it have a few minor flaws and see what I can do about it without doing any editing/tuning of the samples.
PS! I will not let this little "bullcrap" of a issue affect my votes for your submission Sam. I can assure you that. :D It's just a simple (yeah right) principle thing. Good luck in the contest!
Same to you !
I don't mind if you use the old pack. Can you atleast change all the 2006 mentions to 2007? :P That is allowed :P
Sure thing! - Damn dude I really like this samplepack because it sucks!! :lol: - Perhaps it's the programmer in me who like to solve problems or maybe it's just the fact that it was cool samples to experiment with ;)
Quote from: "Waxhead"Sure thing! - Damn dude I really like this samplepack because it sucks!! :lol: - Perhaps it's the programmer in me who like to solve problems or maybe it's just the fact that it was cool samples to experiment with ;)
I'm not really sure if I should take that as a compliment or not, but I'm a positive guy, so if you don't like it, then its your problem... :P I made the pack knowing that probably no one would really like it, but then again, its the challenge to be able to do something with it. :)
Quote from: "LPChip"I'm not really sure if I should take that as a compliment or not
You should! It's good because it have quality sounds but it sucks because of the arrangement of the samples = very hard to work with. Good job chip!
Quote from: "Waxhead"Quote from: "LPChip"I'm not really sure if I should take that as a compliment or not
You should! It's good because it have quality sounds but it sucks because of the arrangement of the samples = very hard to work with. Good job chip!
Thanks :) (in that case... :P)
Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "Waxhead"Quote from: "LPChip"I'm not really sure if I should take that as a compliment or not
You should! It's good because it have quality sounds but it sucks because of the arrangement of the samples = very hard to work with. Good job chip!
Thanks :) (in that case... :P)
...It should however be noted that if I loose the compo I will blame your for providing crappy samples ;D
Well, I don't care on that one... For my part, you blame it on the queen of England.
So, uh looking like I won't make this one. I've been invited to play a (currently uncompleted) song at my next school dance...so things could get ugly. I'll take at stab at it, still, though.
I'm publicly announcing I'm done with all 8:19 of my song, so you know I'm still in this ;D
...It sucks having dialup. I'll probably use my school computer for uploading... And if anybody doesn't mind, when it's uploaded, switch my old samplepack out for one of the updated ones? :P
Anyways, these samples are pretty crap to work with D: . I'm amazed I actually got that much song out of those samples.
The drum loops are cool once you get used to them though. That's good, I guess. For me. :D
It's a personal triumph for me (finishing the damn song, I mean. Whether it's good or bad, well, I don't think I can tell right now :P)
Somebody should use this compo as an example of how you can squeeze the last ounce of use from samples ;)
They should also use it as an example of samplepacks that will kill you. :P
OT: Soundcrafter, you got a gig at your school? What/who are you performing with?
Can you wait with uploading till I have the page ready?
Quote from: "LPChip"
I made the pack knowing that probably no one would really like it, but then again, its the challenge to be able to do something with it. :)
Yeah. I hope you don't have a frame in which you imagine potential solutions regarding the samples (and credit basically those ideas/methods of interpretting the samples), because then I've probably jumped far out of that frame already, heh heh.
Quote from: "apple-joe"Quote from: "LPChip"
I made the pack knowing that probably no one would really like it, but then again, its the challenge to be able to do something with it. :)
Yeah. I hope you don't have a frame in which you imagine potential solutions regarding the samples (and credit basically those ideas/methods of interpretting the samples), because then I've probably jumped far out of that frame already, heh heh.
That depends on what you did. As long as you didn't changed the samples itself (except for using the other pack, and whatever was asked here) you should be able to get nice results :) I actually know what you can do so if you do what I think you did, then it'll be a great surprise for everyone. :)
I did not edit any of the samples, I meant how I used them in the compositional context, yeah. I adjusted the Instruments secyion however, but as far as I remember, that was allowed.
Quote from: "apple-joe"I did not edit any of the samples, I meant how I used them in the compositional context, yeah. I adjusted the Instruments secyion however, but as far as I remember, that was allowed.
Then I can only say that I'm curious for your entry.
Since there will be an upload script (which I'm writing at this very moment) I will be able to download the songs before anyone else can, so I can see who didn't followed the rules so they can get a second chance.
QuoteOT: Soundcrafter, you got a gig at your school? What/who are you performing with?
OT ALERT:That I did...maybe. It seems that thehead of the student council got word of my writing abilities. So if I'm lucky, and the rest of said student council likes it, one of my songs (a new trance piece called Broken Theories) will be played, and some slight acknowledgement given to me...hopefully. Unfortunately I've hit a burnout on the song. Gotta wait a couple days. Maybe I'll try this compo after all.
I've finished the upload script! :D
UPLOAD your entry here:
http://upload.lpchip.com/mpcompo/index.php
username: mpcompo
password: upload
Note: after uploading you won't be able to download/remove your entry.
I'm done.
Upload comments :
A bit fuzzy. First I discovered after several minutes (uploading is always slower than downloading) that I should browse a file on the local system, instead of a copy on another net-server (my archive). (But this could also have been due to the second hinder).
I made an XM-file, and at the end of again several minutes I got the message that only ZIP or RAR is convenient.
After that conversion, it succeeded.
Yeah, my bad... Forgot to mention: only .zip or .rar are allowed to upload and you must browse to the file on your HD. :)
So far 2 entries have been submitted, and I have to say that this compo looks promising.
The 2 entries are great. A bit big... approx. 8 mb each... Damn, who made huge samplepack anyway?
Judging will become really difficult, thats for sure. They aren't state of the art songs, but thats not possible. For what is possible, this is great stuff.
Don't feel all washed away though, I'm sure you can still make a great entry that probably beats all others. :)
Great job guys!
EDIT: oh bytheway, you cannot hear the rest of the entries even after you've submitted yours. The only reason why I listen to the songs, is to make sure everyone understoot the rules and no one crossed the line. If it would happen that you did anyway, you'll get one chance to fix your entry.
I have to do some great changes with my entry, after realizing it has crossed the line from "creative" to "amateur". I really want to submit something, however.
Quote from: "apple-joe"I have to do some great changes with my entry, after realizing it has crossed the line from "creative" to "amateur". I really want to submit something, however.
OT: Check your PMs!
Ok, I always forget there is a PM option although it is somewhat visible.
Regarding the voting process I have an idea:
I suggest that we don't use the poll option in the forum. Let each contributor write something like this (using some strict rules etc...)
1. songname1 - I hate this song so much that I like it
2. songname2 - I like this song so much that I hate it
3. songname3 - Good bassline, everything else sucks
4. songname4 - Nice drums, but the melody stinks
Also I think that it would be a GREAT idea to "hide" the songs. E.g. name them under false name so that everyone don't know who composed it (who might affect the results). When voting is complete the real names and artists are revealed (perhaps it's a bit to late for that).
Or assign numbers to each one. Although I hardly think anyone here is going to vote for or against a particular person, not their song.
Quote from: "SoundCrafter"Or assign numbers to each one. Although I hardly think anyone here is going to vote for or against a particular person, not their song.
I don't think that either, but you never know ;)
I don't really fancy the voting of the authors for each other either, but I agreed with it. (At first I thought 'public voting' meant a poll among the other MPF visitors). Nevertheless, if so, on forehand, I will vote my own contribution as low as possible in the order.
Voting indeed will result by putting all the entries in a list (not forum poll).
And you give one comment based on each entry. this way, every artist will get some feedback on what they did regarding where they've ended.
However, you will be able to see who made what song. I don't expect people to vote negative for someone, especially since we'll have an aftertalk to share experiences. No doubt a question will be raised of most vote someone high, while one person gives the worst vote possible.
But then again, if someone seems to be messing with the way they vote, we can always issue a penalty towards that person and issue a reward against the victim. (eg. -5 points from the voter +5 on the victim.)
But I don't think its necessary. In the worst case, I can disqualify someone.
Of course the author should be known. Of course a personal touch will play a role. But in a positive way, because then one knows the author's properties from earlier publications, can fit it in a certain context, and scale it more precisely in a dedicated range.
This is why compositional skills should prevail above the sound quality of the result.
I'll join. But i warn you in advance that i may just decide to screw the compo, mangle the samples and create something for myself.
Thanks for the motivation though, those samples sound lovely.
Quote from: "georg"Thanks for the motivation though, those samples sound lovely.
You've just made me smile :D
Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "georg"Thanks for the motivation though, those samples sound lovely.
You've just made me smile :D
I've really enjoyed the pack. I think i'll have an entry for the compo. After a few hours i've already got 9 minutes of something audible goin' on (mostly due to slow tempo though). Boy i'm glad i found out about the compo. So glad, i'm not even goan gripe about NOT being allowed to chop up that drumloop to get hats n snares. Am i the only one who hates offseting the loop to get the hats? I can get the offset right so i allways get some click n pops, but nevermind that, cos i realised that if the loop gets out of sync (by adjusting the tempo by 1 or 2 points) those pops begin to sound like claps, snaps and other nice sonds that arent in the pack ;D
I like it like that now :nuts:
Februari 10th is the last day for submission, and we only have 4 entries.
I know that Georg might submit an entry, but I was wondering if there still are people working on an entry?
perhaps
Well, I created an entry a few days after compo start. However, I started disliking it more and more for each day. I am going to have another go some time before Feb. 10th, and see if I come up with something better.
If not, I may try to alter the first piece.
Anyway, I wouldn't panic, you did after all say Feb. 10th was the deadline. I think there is a tendency of crossing the finish line just as the time is out. At least, I am that way some times.
What's the reason for all the people over at CTGmusc and #modarchive not joining? Other than having to use only MPT, when IT or milky or schism or w/ever could be allowed?
LPChip:
I'm working (every now and then) on my entry and I'm pretty determined to submit it close to feb.10 since I dont exactly have to much free time to work on it.
Quote from: "georg"What's the reason for all the people over at CTGmusc and #modarchive not joining? Other than having to use only MPT, when IT or milky or schism or w/ever could be allowed?
They can't stand me... :?
Quote from: "georg"What's the reason for all the people over at CTGmusc and #modarchive not joining? Other than having to use only MPT, when IT or milky or schism or w/ever could be allowed?
Um, I actually think they don't know about the compo, because I kind of not told them... :P
Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "georg"What's the reason for all the people over at CTGmusc and #modarchive not joining? Other than having to use only MPT, when IT or milky or schism or w/ever could be allowed?
Um, I actually think they don't know about the compo, because I kind of not told them... :P
No... you don't say ::)
Include other communities in such projects.
EDIT - I think i'll submit tomorrow or the day after. I'm almost done unless i go on a rampage and add all kinds of new stuff. I'm having high hopes for this entry which means i'ts heading for doom. Everytime i get optimistic about a compo entry it only lasts until i hear others' entries and i go ddaaaaaamn! What does it take?!
And s-f, you wish you were *that* popular!
Atlantis told me I should post this at CTG too, but I've got second thoughs. The people at CTG are much different than those on modplug, and probably would get a flamewar for the nice samplepack and rules.
Then I figured, this compo is made for MODPlug Tracker about MODPlug, so it should be for the people of MODPlug.
:?
Quote from: "georg":?
sue me :nuts:
Change and redo and extend over here,
retrigger and mute and pan over there,
cut and chop and add a fade in,
bung this silly song in the bin.
I'll make it on time. Really! I swear... almost done
I am bumping this topic, because people need to submit!
>_<
I need a new, better entry. I'll at least give a try so I may submit something before February 10th.
As said before I'm still pretty determined to submit close to 10th Feb. so let's hope that's the final deadline :)
I don't intend to change the deadline. :)
The exact deadline is set to february 11 th, 0:00 GM0 (london time)
At that time, I will deactivate the upload script. If it still works, you're lucky, if not, then its past the deadline. :)
There - I am now in progress submitting my entry. What do I think about it? well frankly not much. I sure hope it's a good excuse to say that I lost my inspiration because I honestly did :)
One hour remaining to submit your entry.
Deadline has been passed, and the upload facility no longer works.
I'm checking all songs now for following the rules. Next I will have to do a bit renaming so that it will be easy to name a song when voting, as a few entries have an almost identical name, and others have quite a long one :)
EDIT:
Xaimus added an effect to the song which is not allowed. Since its only one effect, that effect has been removed from the song and will be as that in the votepack.
I'm really looking forward to downloading 48MB of the same samples. Hope you rar / 7-zip a big pack instead of each file. ;)
Quote from: "Waxhead"I'm really looking forward to downloading 48MB of the same samples. Hope you rar / 7-zip a big pack instead of each file. ;)
Yes ofcource I am downloading it as one big songpack. Thats the reason Why I decided to release a bigger samplepack, so the downloading of all entries could be merged to one single Rar file that probably won't be larger than 5 mb.
bah
The differences in playback quality and consistency between different machines and software and different speakers/headphones are beyond annoying. I'm listening to something i allegedy tracked myself and can hardly recognise it. Nevermind me not properly finishing the track. That's bad enough but there are sounds i never heard before in it now, and some "pieces" do not fit at all. And all i'm doing is playing it in an older MPT on a pair of speakers.
Long story short, i hope noone playes my entry with an older version of MPT, or god forbid, Winamp. bah
un-fucken-recognisable...i HATE machines.
Quote from: "georg"bah
The differences in playback quality and consistency between different machines and software and different speakers/headphones are beyond annoying. I'm listening to something i allegedy tracked myself and can hardly recognise it. Nevermind me not properly finishing the track. That's bad enough but there are sounds i never heard before in it now, and some "pieces" do not fit at all. And all i'm doing is playing it in an older MPT on a pair of speakers.
Long story short, i hope noone playes my entry with an older version of MPT, or god forbid, Winamp. bah
un-fucken-recognisable...i HATE machines.
Its not even allowed. Everyone has to play the song in OpenMPT RC2 or higher (last build preferred) for voting.
Seems that I didn't put that in the rules, but ofcource you'll have to use OpenMPT. I'd prefer version 0.45 since it has the most features, and this is a MODPlug Tracker compo. I added the rule as it is required. Its pointless to make a song that plays badly in another player if you don't expect this to happen.
Doesn't just sound bad, it is ... different. Even the loops get "whacked". Total weirdness...
That's a good rule BTW. I wish it was OHC standard practise too.
I failed. I created an entry, but after listening to it a couple of days after I finished it, my impression was horrible. So I decided to try a new entry, but I somehow never got the motivation. I was obviously not able to deal with such samples this time, but I think I want to get the votepcak and have a listen nontheless.
LPChip: When can we expect to start downloading?!
Quote from: "Waxhead"LPChip: When can we expect to start downloading?!
I have fixed the naming issue, and included a nice vote instructions.txt file which will help you to vote.
The entire package is 6.99 mb zipped with .7z zipped exe in it. (rar could do 25 mb as best LOL.
You only need a program that can handle Zip files. The .7z file is self extracting. :)
I'm about to upload, so expect a link here in about... 10 minutes or so.
Okay people! :D
The VotePack has been released. (http://files.lpchip.com/compos/mpcompo2007/VOTE%20PACK.zip)
The filesize is 7 mb. Unpack it with a zip program, then run the executable inside to further uncompress the files.
Use the including .txt file to post your votings here.
The deadline for voting has been set to end februari. Any vote after the deadline won't be counted. (or there must be a very special reason and close to the deadline)
I'm allready downloading :)
And here is the votes from the hairless jury:
My submission for The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007
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Song6 - Sounds totaly different from the other contributions! Great "transformation"
Song1 - Sad and unharmonic start but picks up later. Great drums!
Song3 - Good rythm. A bit monotome tough
Song4 - To "simple" and monotome
Song2 - Supercool start!!! (nice phazing), but too boring.
Song7 - Way to long and boring, Nice rythm tough!
Song5 - Short, unpolished and a crappy ending.
Please note that I based my votes on the musical experience only. (I did not look at the patterns so my votes are not affected by how "technical" the song is)
My submission for The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007
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Song5 - Great use of the possibilities! I really liked it.
Song1 - Nice variations and techniques used.
Song3 - I miss a twistpoint where the song changes in a different direction.
Song2 - I'm not a big fan or experimentalism. Melodic vibe fixes enough though.
Song7 - Nice atmosphere, clicks are bad though.
Song6 - I knew it was possible but still I'm amased on how well you did it. Not my style though...
Song4 - Was more made to test if the samples were good enough.
My submission for The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007
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Song6 - I'll be lookin out for ya xaimus ;D No comment needed.
Song5 - Very nice percussion, and I love some of the lines in there
Song7 - Actually, I like the clicks, they add that surrealist experimentalist thing in there.... but meh
Song2 - Opening and ornaments nice, needs moar percussion variations.
Song4 - Would be enjoyable sans other similar entries.
Song3 - Less predictability would be nice.
Song1 - Long and crappy crap.
My submission for The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007
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Song5 - Intimate track with a nice tune, having the proper length
Song1 - Started promising, but halfway it seemed like a second song started, so it lost some cohesion.
Song3 - Good, compact song, lacking surprise a bit.
Song6 - Sloppy start. Great, but in potential, because it's more some sketches than a drawing.
Song7 - Too long. The last part at lower speed would have been sufficient. Rest predictable with awful ticks.
Song4 - Nothing much to say. A decent exposition of the available material.
Song2 - Too simple and definetely wrong tempo.
My submission for The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007
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Song5 - most creative. oodles of funk. howls were too loud, and i'd like to see some panning done, but that's a minor offense. winner by a mile an 1/2
Song6 - excellent "skeleton" of a track. if it wasn't hastily tracked maybe it would have some real meat. great potential. you get extra points for sounding nothing like the rest.
Song1 - nice beats and atmos. good use of volume and filters. some parts were great. riff-samples were usually below average.
Song2 - good beats, but you lose points for using stock "unchopped" loops. better use of volume cmds and filters would help too. good use of smaples throughout.
Song3 - not very creative use of samples. GOOD atmos. good buildup but the mid to end part is not very good.
Song4 - least creative of the lot, but solid tracking.
Song7 - work harder man.
Quote from: "LPChip"Xaimus added an effect to the song which is not allowed.
What effect?
Anyhow:
My submission for The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007
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Song1 - Neat
Song5 - awesome
Song7 - cool
Song2 - alright
Song4 - boring
Song3 - Boring. :(
Song6 - crap
The comments on song1, song5 and song2 are really long. can you make these shorter please?
You should put in a small comment about the song, not why you voted for it.
The effect you used was Classic EQ on FX Slot 100. You think I wouldn't notice? ;)
Quote from: "LPChip"The effect you used was Classic EQ on FX Slot 100. You think I wouldn't notice? ;)
I actually completely forgot that I put that there. Did it even do anything? I don't think I had anything routed through it.
Also, editing comments.
EDIT: Checked the original track--it doesn't do anything aside from a 2.4 dB boost applied to everything. wtf
Lol, you went from really long to really short :P You did that to tease on me didn't you? :nuts:
Quote from: "georg"
good use of volume and filters.
I didn't use filters. :D
One rule for the compo was that Soundquality does not matter. So if someone in fact did add a filter, used EQ, added stereo effects etc...etc... does it really matter at all?! As long as the effect does improve the soundquality and does not alter the melody (echo for example) why bother since people was supposed to not consider that when voting for their favorite song.
I left those comments to the authors. It didn't affect voting. And are you sure you didn't use any kind of filtering? I'm pretty sure... hmm.
Quote from: "georg"And are you sure you didn't use any kind of filtering? I'm pretty sure... hmm.
I'd say that its ruled out because XM files don't support filters. :)
Quote from: "LPChip"Lol, you went from really long to really short :P You did that to tease on me didn't you? :nuts:
aye :D
why are you all who made one of those songs commenting on your own? isnt that like conflict of interest?
Quote from: "residentgrey"why are you all who made one of those songs commenting on your own? isnt that like conflict of interest?
Its polite ;) (and funny :P)
My submission for The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007
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Song5 -In a league of its own. Amazing; very creative and stylish. Great Knowledge of OMT.
Song1 -Excellent song. Stylish and well writtin.
Song7 -Atmospheric and moody. Great beat. I love it. A bit long.
Song6 -Also Atmospheric and moody. Great ideas in the song, a bit disjointed though.
Song2 - Excellent beginning. Great composition for the opening credits of an espionage movie.
Song4 - Great beat! A bit short.
Song3 - Super boring. No zxx used since the moron who wrote it read the rules wrong. Composer should be shot on sight.
Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "georg"And are you sure you didn't use any kind of filtering? I'm pretty sure... hmm.
I'd say that its ruled out because XM files don't support filters. :)
What the hell did i imagine was filtering then?! I'll have to look the song up again. Hell maybe even vote it lower.
All participants have been voted, and thus far, the score is:
34 Waxhead
30 CrazyAznGamer
25 Xaimus
17 Sam_Zen
16 tvdude
15 Georg
10 LPChip
Don't forget, this is NOT the final score. There is still some time for non-participants to vote:)
A complete list with all comments will be given after the deadline has been passed for voting. :)
Ah - non-participants' votes count after all? I forgot. Ok, time to listen through.
My submission for The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007
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Song6 - More of an instant feel regarding the intro. Early development, nice. Great sound as well. Heavy percussion follows. A third part/change already, very good. Candidate for 1st place, no doubt. Tops my list when there is one more song to go.
Song7 - Notable drum interpretation. Pattern 9 now, interesting things going on, although becoming a little static. Long song. Good ideas, but they may disappear due to the song length. Hmm, pattern 26, I like this change. Really good parts in this track, but they are very stretched out. The longer the song, the more to include in order to eliminate emptiness. Excellent rhythmical ideas.
Song5 - In general more interesting than Song3 and 4. Groovy phrases, and nice details combined with a special atmosphere. Also, the tonality itself stood out. Pleasant listening. Short, but still enough time to let the art shine through, obviously.
Song2 - A little more development and dynamics going on early in the song. Enjoyable. Great width regarding the interpretation of samples. Creativity on top. Song1 may have a more defined sound and structure, however, I have to favourize this one due to creativity and interpretation.
Song1 - Atmospheric intro. Nice sound. A little tiring after a while, but that is probably due to the samples - no choice but using the pre-recorded phrases. Hmm, interesting development through the second half. Very impressive song.
Song3 - I like the sounds that appear after a while. Very good, but still a little too generic. Enjoyable nevertheless.
Song4 - Good and steady, but I hope for some further development before the song ends... Aggressive sounds to be heard towards the end. Somehow it worked for me - variation.
2 Georg
I was curious. What do you mean with 'stock "unchopped" loops' ?
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"2 Georg
I was curious. What do you mean with 'stock "unchopped" loops' ?
"stock" and "unchopped" loops are loops played without modifications or reordering of loop samples (mostly applies to drum loops where samples inside the loop are more accesible). "stock" means unaltered or factory made, like a stock motorbike or in this case a "stock" loop provided by LPChip.
"chopping" or "breaking" loops is the technique of deliberatly interrupting or otherwise modifying a drumloop pattern (either with a sample editor or by using tracker commands such as play backwards/forwards, retrigger, offset, etc. or even by tracking loops "over" themselves and using volume commands and panning to create a unique beat, different from the original "stock" drumloop. This is the cornerstone of breakbeat music but can be used in any electronic music.
Nothing wrong with using "stock" loops, and crappily chopped loops can ruin a good track. A fine example is in the first few patterns of my entry where there are some really lame parts which i made in a hurry and never sorted out in time.
Chopping loops properly leads to a more original sound and would have improved my opinion of your entry, that's why i said you "loose" points. There was some unpredictability but i thought you could have done more with the drumloops. Chopping up a loop can also be done to create glitches, fake record-scratches or rythmical effects, not just to create a different beat.
It's not much by itself but when properly integrated into tracked music it can produce excellent results. It allows a lot of versatility with minimal use of samples (the amen loop - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen_break - was used in thousands of different songs, tracked or otherwise) and requires tracking skill. I get a kick out of anyone who skillfully uses breaks in music and an allways happy to praise it. Or point out that i wish i heard some more of it in a track. Vowthorn was a good breakbeat experimentalist, BotB, SPOZ and rewbs also come to mind.
Bit longwinded..sorry, i'm sure most of this is not new to anyone.
2 Georg
I see what you mean.
I think it's not a matter of ignorance in this case, but I just have a different approach.
So I interpreted the rules very strictly, just using the 'stock' material as is, no modifications, other than with the command-codes.
As you can notice, I don't have the drumsequences set in 'looping' mode. To avoid unwanted chopping or empty spaces I first tune
the tempo of the piece to have each restart-code of the sample for example with each 32 or 64 steps.
I agree about the versatility with minimal use of samples. Get the max out of it.
I did some chopping though. Sometimes I started the drumloop again halfway again, to have twice the first half instead.
Applying breakbeats is an option, but if I choose not to use it, I don't.
And the results... :)
Pt. Artist
38 Waxhead
32 CrazyAznGamer
31 Xaimus
20 Georg
20 Sam_Zen
17 tvdude
10 LPChip
Congrats Waxhead! :) A deserved win I'd say.
Song Comments:Song1-gravolution.xm (2nd place)
- Sad and unharmonic start but picks up later. Great drums!
- Nice variations and techniques used.
- Started promising, but halfway it seemed like a second song started, so it lost some cohesion.
- nice beats and atmos. good use of volume and filters. some parts were great. riff-samples were usually below average.
- Neat
- Excellent song. Stylish and well writtin.
- FROM ARTIST: Long and crappy crap.
Song2-Sam_Zen - scattered_flow.xm (Shared 4th place)
- Supercool start!!! (nice phazing), but too boring.
- I'm not a big fan or experimentalism. Melodic vibe fixes enough though.
- Opening and ornaments nice, needs moar percussion variations.
- good beats, but you lose points for using stock "unchopped" loops. better use of volume cmds and filters would help too. good use of smaples throughout.
- alright
- Excellent beginning. Great composition for the opening credits of an espionage movie.
- FROM ARTIST: Too simple and definetely wrong tempo.
Song3-The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007 the ps project.it (6th place)
- Good rythm. A bit monotome tough
- I miss a twistpoint where the song changes in a different direction.
- Less predictability would be nice.
- Good, compact song, lacking surprise a bit.
- not very creative use of samples. GOOD atmos. good buildup but the mid to end part is not very good.
- Boring. :(
- FROM ARTIST: Super boring. No zxx used since the moron who wrote it read the rules wrong. Composer should be shot on sight.
Song4-Free Run.it (7th place)
- To "simple" and monotome
enough.
- Would be enjoyable sans other similar entries.
- Nothing much to say. A decent exposition of the available material.
- least creative of the lot, but solid tracking.
- boring
- Great beat! A bit short.
- FROM ARTIST: Was more made to test if the samples were good
Song5-The MODPlug Tracker Compo 2007.it (1st place)
- Great use of the possibilities! I really liked it.
- Very nice percussion, and I love some of the lines in there.
- Intimate track with a nice tune, having the proper length
- most creative. oodles of funk. howls were too loud, and i'd like to see some panning done, but that's a minor offense. winner by a mile an 1/2
- awesome
- In a league of its own. Amazing; very creative and stylish. Great Knowledge of OMT.
- FROM ARTIST: Short, unpolished and a crappy ending.
Song6-righto.it (3rd place)
- Sounds totaly different from the other contributions! Great "transformation"
- I knew it was possible but still I'm amased on how well you did it. Not my style though?
- I'll be lookin out for ya xaimus ;D No comment needed.
- Sloppy start. Great, but in potential, because it's more some sketches than a drawing.
- excellent "skeleton" of a track. if it wasn't hastily tracked maybe it would have some real meat. great potential. you get extra points for sounding nothing like the rest.
- Also Atmospheric and moody. Great ideas in the song, a bit disjointed though.
- FROM ARTIST: crap
Song7-ECV.it (shared 4th place)
- Way to long and boring, Nice rythm tough!
- Nice atmosphere, clicks are bad though.
- Actually, I like the clicks, they add that surrealist experimentalist thing in there.... but meh.
- Too long. The last part at lower speed would have been sufficient. Rest predictable with awful ticks.
- cool
- Atmospheric and moody. Great beat. I love it. A bit long.
- FROM ARTIST: work harder man.
Lets share experiences. :)
For me, it was really fun making the samples, but I must admit, what you guys did with the samples were above my expectation. :D Good job on that.
Nice job with the result list, LPChip.
An interesting concept, it has an element of improvisation, making something with some already fixed instruments and sequences.
The range of a deadline could be set much shorter imo. With the time-period shifted from the date of announcement to from the day when one decides to participate.
WHOA! You guys voted me second? :P :D
Well, I did my song pretty quickly, despite its length. I wasn't exactly expecting such a high place, but hey, turns out I lucked out. :)
I can see why Waxhead would take the win: very sexy song. (Nevertheless, I still voted Xaimus because he REALLY messed with the samples and made something different)
Anyways, I guess I'll start off the "experience of song making" train. :D
At the time of making the song, I was under the heavy influence of hellven, hunz, funkymuskrat, and ESPECIALLY xerxes (which, if this was a normal song, I would put major props in for him).
I started making an intro (as opposed to jumping straight into the song and making the intro later). This was rather late into the night, so the intro was fairly sedating. It was like the song was falling to sleep. Or I was. Or something.
Anyways, that explains the fairly uncreative use of the drum loop, riffs, and whatnot at the beginning of the song.
I continued it at a time I was more awake, adding in fx like phazing and that was about the time I "improvised" the drums and added in chords (it's like I'm addicted to seventh chords o_o).
As I never like my song ending in the same direction, I added a speedup and another twist at the end. The ending didn't quite fit right with the rest of the song, but I'll pretend I didn't say that and call it artistic interpretation ^_^.
EDIT: Actually, I think that if you count apple-joe's votes, it puts me a place or two lower. :P
Quote from: "CrazyAznGamer"EDIT: Actually, I think that if you count apple-joe's votes, it puts me a place or two lower. :P
I did counted his votes and these are the results I've got, but if you think you should end up lower, I can do a recount :P or should I say, I can let Excell do a recount :P
My entry was more made to see what you can do with the samples, to see if it has enough options. I didn't chose to make a long song as it wasn't required for my purpose. The only thing it was ment to be, was a: hey look, if you say you can't do anything, then watch this example :P
I am very amased though by the results. Everyone doing it completelly different says enough I think. I do really like the intro I made. Really atmospheric and good buildup to the climax of the song start. I kind of miss that in the other songs, but then again, it was a hard compo :)
i want to download the songs and listen, but the one link to the votepack that i found doesnt work anymore... :(
Try this one (http://files.lpchip.com/compos/mpcompo2007/VOTE%20PACK.zip) :)
Good idea for a compo. Using only a few sounds forced everyone to experiment and find different way of composing those sounds. Too bad such ideas tend to scare people off though, but it's their loss.
Decent entries and a deserving winner. Good pompo, yup yup.
PS - I disagree slightly about which artist should be shot. IMO Xaimus is allways my favorite artist who should be shot, but that's my opinion.
Thanks for all of you who voted for my submission and making me win (wooohooo ;D ) this compo!
I was rather pressed for time when I did this song. Inspiration was another problem and I was honestly not expecting to be the winner of this compo.
For those of you who have read the comments in the song you will know that the ending was done rather quickly. Also lack of variation in the main melody is another issue but it seems that it worked out alright regardless ;)
Since I'm a old Amiga user I was using ProTracker a lot I often loaded up a module, erased all patterns and created my own music using the samples from that particular module. Perhaps all this playing around with other peoples samples finally paid off!
What really disappointed me with the other contributions was that most of them sounded a bit alike and also some of them was very long. The only exception was song 6 who really stood out by sounding nothing like the rest.
I was pretty sure that xaimus would win this compo since his song started very impressive. The only negative thing about his song is that it was a bit to commercial to my taste.
What really impresses me with this compo was the fact that so many of you seemed to have put considerable effort in creating something with rather limited samples. I'm also impressed by those of you who are able to create songs that last longer than 5 minuttes. I usually have big problems trying to reach 3:46 on almost everything I make.
I prefer instrumental music and my style is probably influenced by The Crystal Method, The Prodigy, Ed Rush (drum'n bass), Norwegian folk music, Scottish bagpipe, Propellerheads, SID (C=64), Ugress, Madonna, Jerry Lee Lewis, JunkieXL, Kraftwerk, Orbital, Fatboy slim, Fluke, The Chemical Brothers, Yellow, Ralph Myerz, Big Bang, ?ystein Sunde and the list goes on and on and on..........
While I'm at it I might as well complain about a few minor issues with the compo. Why are not the songtitle from the uploadscript used? I was assuming that the filename of the submission would be the one I wrote when I submitted the module. Why isn't the artist name included in the summary for each song? It's a great idea to avoid using the artist name under the voting process but when the compo is over I would prefer to see who made what without checking the uploadscript / modules. And why are not the summary ordered so that the winner is shown first? (calm down you bald bastard - you won isn't that enough?).
So thanks yet again for voting for my song and also a little special thanks to LPChip for clean handling of this compo ;) Hope to see more of this kind of compos... (I would off course have said the opposite if I lost hehe!).
Quote from: "Waxhead"While I'm at it I might as well complain about a few minor issues with the compo. Why are not the songtitle from the uploadscript used? I was assuming that the filename of the submission would be the one I wrote when I submitted the module. Why isn't the artist name included in the summary for each song? It's a great idea to avoid using the artist name under the voting process but when the compo is over I would prefer to see who made what without checking the uploadscript / modules. And why are not the summary ordered so that the winner is shown first? (calm down you bald bastard - you won isn't that enough?).
I have 4 words for you.
"I was being lazy!" :nuts:
Quote from: "Waxhead"
So thanks yet again for voting for my song and also a little special thanks to LPChip for clean handling of this compo ;) Hope to see more of this kind of compos... (I would off course have said the opposite if I lost hehe!).
You're welcome :)
I might start another compo, but it will be less restrictive as this one. Eg. samples that actually allow you to make whatever you want, but limitations more in: 4 channels only or something...
I don't think that I'll be hosting another of this kind of compo where you get a loop pack instead of a samplepack :P Maybe in a year or so :)
I was indeed surprised by Xaimus's dance song. I made another example song to test out the rythm, that had indeed a small part of 4/4 just to test. When I had about 5 samples, I started with a new song which is Free Run.
Is there anyone that wants to talk about techniques they've used or discovered? :P
Yeah. All the damn techniques i have in my inventory still can't help me make good noise. Damn those techniques to hell, talent would be a nicer thing to have.
I have not discovered anything new, but i have dug deeper into various techniques of arranging and layering samples, as well as some uses of panning and spacing and filtering without plugins. Most of the "digging" was not preserved in the final cut of course, but i liked this compo and working on my entry right from the moment i heard the samples. I really wen't to town with the project and i'm dissapointed the result wasn't better. Then again the really really final master is going to sound nothing like this version cos i'll do more work and use plugins as well.
Quote from: "georg"Then again the really really final master is going to sound nothing like this version cos i'll do more work and use plugins as well.
Cool. Please share it when its done. :) I'm curious to see how much you can actually improve the version using plugins and such, and it can prove how valuable these plugins are :)
Talking about a final master. I've not used plugins, but the end production of Scattered Flow can be found here (http://www.louigiverona.com/webarchive/samzen/download/oggs/9_scatt_flow.ogg)
so I have to wait for the next year for a new compo :(
Quote from: "verano"so I have to wait for the next year for a new compo :(
Not for a new compo, but for a compo that uses the same rules and kind of samplepack.
I have plans for another compo, but I'm too busy at the moment to carry it out.
Congratulations, Waxhead! Your song is great.
CrazyAznGamer I love you forever
I worked on the first two patterns of my song shortly after the compo was announced. I wrote the rest of it in two hours before the songs were due while drunk.
don't drink and track
Quote from: "georg"I have not discovered anything new, but i have dug deeper into various techniques of arranging and layering samples, as well as some uses of panning and spacing and filtering without plugins.
You should join more #mod_shrine OHCs, man.
And loose what little credibility of being an able and acomplished tracker i have??!
I think not. OTOH, OHCs taste almost as good as PIE!!! So yeah, i'll be there.