I want to buy a midi keyboard, never used it, it's totally new for me.
My question is now, is it easy handling, what can you do with it, and is this the only thing i need, etc.
Something i saw is this : http://www.rjshop.nl/product/8159/
Ok next..can i use it with my MP?
That keyboard is really nice, but don't be mistaken by the fact that it offers alot more than just a simple midi keyboard.
If you only want to use it for modplug, this is way too much for what you want.
It has an audio unit in it which allows you to hook it up to a stereo and use its buildin sounds to make sound with it. Don't get me wrong, thats very cool, and if I had the money left, I would consider getting one too :)
But to make sure that you won't buy something you don't really need, the question would again be: will it solely be for modplug or other pc things, or will you also want it to use when you're not behind your pc?
If its just for the pc, then there are much cheaper ones that give you the same thing.
There's a product which would be probably one of the better choises if it would be used in conjunction with MPT. Take a look at this for example: http://www.prodikeys.com/
For a stand-alone kayboard, you could be looking at something like this: http://www.rolandce.com/productinfo/productinfodetail.asp?Welke=85 which would probably cost under 70 euro.
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Also... Even though MODPlug Tracker allows the usage of a midi keyboard, its not as fancy as it first seems. Yes, you can use it to play instruments directly from whitin mpt and so, but there's a small latency. So you'd be using it for entering notes, and even though thats nice, it will quickly become a problem if either the keyboard is too small to get you to the note you want, or if its too big so you have to move away from your computer for each note you want to insert.
MODPlug Tracker has good capabilities for that on the PC keyboard itself.
Also: if you want to use modplug to control external equipment, then do note that it doesn't work 100% and is product speciffic, as you'll need 3rd party software to begin with. I have a nice Yamaha keyboard with great XG sounds, but I cannot access those banks from MODPlug Tracker. In fact, I can only access the General MIDI bank.
To conclude:
Its a nice toy for sure, and maybe for you it works well, but I wouldn't spend too much money on it at first. Try something small first, or maybe even better, see if you can rent a keyboard so you can try how it works, and if its what you're after.
with my new ultra-low latency soundcard, i don't have any problems anymore when i want to record something from my synth :)
if you just want to record notes, you could buy a much cheaper keyboard, as LPChip already suggested. But if you also want to record the sounds of your keyboard, you should consider buying something more expensive, like the one you posted.
I got a Yamaha CS1x synthsizer from my brother, and I don't use the MIDI feature very much, i rather use the cool sounds of this synth to use them in modplug...
so you have to decide: do you just want to record midi notes or do you also want to record sound?
I have a keyboard similar to this one:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOOXYGEN61
It works great for both playing instruments through MPT as well as entering notes in MPT. The control sliders and knobs are also great when using plugins that support them, or using a program like Reason that supports the input. Although it doesn't have any sound banks of its own, I have plenty of samples, VSTIs, etc. to keep me happy without them.
The USB connection also allows me to hook the k/b up to a laptop, which allows for great portability as well.
The 61-key board, while not compact, is not so huge that it doesn't fit on my desk and is big enough to allow a pretty good range without adjusting the octave settings in MPT and other programs.
A USB midi controller and a great collection of .it instruments and VSTi's is a far less expensive investment than that of purchasing an actual preloaded midi keyboard as well as a far more expansive option down the line.
The difference, which isn't very clear so far is that a midi controller is basically a device that will allow you to control external sound banks (via midi signal) and parameters such as pitch wheel and vibrato etc., as opposed to the internal factory sound banks of a full-fledged midi synth.
This is not to say that a synth is a bad option, because for all intensive purposes a synth can achieve the same thing as a midi controller. Obviously, if you have the $$ to invest in a synth, I'd say go for it! However, if you do not, a USB midi controller (preferably velocity sensitive keys) is a very inexpensive and viable option. Keeping in mind that the controller is not a stand alone sound device. Again, it controls external sources.
And if you cannot afford either option, the game is not over. MPT is totally controllable via the computer's keyboard and to be honest, at this point it is far more approachable than using external devices. With external midi input, you will spend some time going back and cleaning up notes and parameters after you have recorded.
The only option that is not supported in MPT (which is extremely unfortunate in my opinion) is the use of multi-layered samples. Which basically means if you were to press a key on your midi controller or synth softly, the midi signal would map to a sample that is soft. If you were to press the same key again, but this time much harder, the midi signal would map to a sample that sounds louder, collectively producing a series of dynamics according to the velocity of how hard or soft the key is pressed per every note of the keyboard/scale. It's this most basic option that aids in keeping your sound/music sounding natural and complete.
Hint to programmers: I would much rather see this technology in later versions of OMPT, rather than the latest bells and whistles. This is where MPT is greatly behind the times, excluding 24/32 bit import.
There are of course workarounds, but they require far more technical involvement, somewhat distracting from the creative process.
The keyboard the Mister X suggested IS a very good option. I would seriously consider it.
Quote from: "MisterX"I have a keyboard similar to this one:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOOXYGEN61
It works great for both playing instruments through MPT as well as entering notes in MPT. The control sliders and knobs are also great when using plugins that support them, or using a program like Reason that supports the input. Although it doesn't have any sound banks of its own, I have plenty of samples, VSTIs, etc. to keep me happy without them.
i got this one (klick) (http://www.musicstore.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/MusicStore-MusicStoreShop-Site/de_DE/-/EUR/ViewProductDetail-Start;pgid=?SKU=SYN0002531-000&ProductUUID=0&JumpTo=OfferList) and i would really like to do the same as you do... (i think the keyboards are almost alike)...
can you explain that to me? the manual only refers to cubase and concerning this kind of things i'm
1. f*cking stupid
2. damn lazy
3. short tempered
thx in advance ;)
it came with proteus x vsti that i also don't get to work properly
Boot-sec, you're my hero again! (I've got the XBoard61)
What do you need explained? My XBoard needed a driver update from E-Mu's site before it worked right.
And also, ProteusX will glitch as a standalone (It won't save your latency settings. EVER) It will work in VST form, though.
Nice explaining here thank you..
Im considdering a keyboard because a lot of times there are really nice samples but just not always the nice sound iff you know what i mean.
Right note, right wave..
And trying to make wahwahwah sound it not plays right over my beat.
Quote from: "SoundCrafter"Boot-sec, you're my hero again! (I've got the XBoard61)
What do you need explained? My XBoard needed a driver update from E-Mu's site before it worked right.
And also, ProteusX will glitch as a standalone (It won't save your latency settings. EVER) It will work in VST form, though.
as vsti proteus uses almost all of my ram and cpu... (and i got plenty of those)... whatever...
please tell me right from the beginning how to assign the keyboard to an instrument/vsti, how to set the midi-preferences and what i need to do at the keyboard
;)
P.S.: anyway someone could write a tutorial on stuff like that..
@misterX & soundcrafter:
still waiting for your support :cry:
As you plug the midi cable to your computer, and select the midi input from control panel-> sound settings (or your VST-host), midi is set. Make sure you connect synth midi out-> computer midi in.
For debugging midi problems, I suggest you download a program called Midi-yoke. It will display incoming midi notes in text.
After you have set up the keyboard, just load a VSTi to the host and play away.
i guess in ompt it's not so easy :P
In the setup of OpenMPT, go to the tab midi. Make sure the midi-in device is set to your midi port.
Then in the toolbar (near the play/pause/stop buttons) press the keyboard so its lit.
Now you can play any instrument in the instrument tab using your keyboard, given that your keyboard is properly setup.
Usually, you don't need to do anything special to make this work. Midi receiving on your keyboard usually is more tricky, which is not possible in OpenMPT anyway (unless you use a vsti plugin for that)
Quote from: "LPChip"
Then in the toolbar (near the play/pause/stop buttons) press the keyboard so its lit.
if that's the reason why i couldn't get any external midi to the instruments i'll definitely kill somebody random and then myself :lol:
testing begins after tonights bowling-session
The thing is, i buy samples..a lot of samples.
Now i want to make my own samples, with a keyboard i guess.
Or am i totally wrong?
Quote from: "Samplekit"The thing is, i buy samples..a lot of samples.
Now i want to make my own samples, with a keyboard i guess.
Or am i totally wrong?
You could sample the sounds from your keyboard, but what you're after can also be archieved without a keyboard. If its purelly for the sounds of the keyboard, then its a very expensive solution.
Many keyboards also have a VST Instrument representation.
For instance, From my head, you've posted a Korg Wavestation keyboard. Korg also has the sounds in software form. Do a google for Korg Novastation (which is a suite with WaveStation in it. They have a demo version of their plugin which will give you some noise every now and then, but it allows you to see how well the plugins are. You can then use it to sample from, or when you're ready, you can use the VSTi directly in OpenMPT, which will give a much richer sound than sampling can every give you. (just less features, but that should be elimiated somewhere in the future.)
Besides, there are tons of other VSTi's and also free ones, which you can use to sample from too.
But if you also want to use the keyboard to play on, then other things are at stake too.
Its a matter of what you want really. Just sampling, no other toying around, then certainly not buy a keyboard, but look out for (much cheaper) VSTi's.
EDIT: my bad... I read novastation... but its Novation. Okay, this keyboard is probably not available in VSTi form, but I'm sure there are tons of VSTi's that can get equal sound.
Btw, to give you an indication of what I mean with hardware vs software:
Here's Korg's site about their software recreation of their original Hardware, along with demo's and everything: http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=KLC1D&category_id=8
Thanks LPchip,
Can you tell me, what is that software?
Where i can put my vst instruments in and make samples, easy..just play the sound (on a keyboard on or off screen) and record!
I allways used straight buyed samples, and Native absynth 3..nice program for atmosphere, great noise sounds..etc..but mostly not the right sounds for me.
But..working with that..a keyboard and plugins of sounds.making my own sample, its great!
Nice weekend by the way..:boogie:
You can load these plugins directly into OpenMPT, and use them instead of samples.
If you want to record samples from them, make a short song with one C-5 note in it, and render to wave :)
but is there a program like a keyboard on screen and record what i play on the keyboard where the vst's are plugged in?
There are many programs.
OpenMPT is one of them though. It will not give you a keyboard on screen, but thats not required, unless you need that keyboard to be displayed. But I couldn't think of any reason when I wrote this.
Most programs have keyboard input like OpenMPT, so you can use your QWERTY keyboard to play the notes, or also an external midi keyboard.
ok, i got it... really was only that little midi-button :lol:
so then... how do i assign vst-params to my potis and mod-wheel? :wink:
Quote from: "BooT-SectoR-ViruZ"ok, i got it... really was only that little midi-button :lol:
so then... how do i assign vst-params to my potis and mod-wheel? :wink:
Sometimes things are so simple :D
As for the assignment of vstparams... I don't think thats possible in OpenMPT.
Ok people, i got 1, check it out :boogie: BUT..
i have just a problem that i don't have a joystick input on my soundcard, only usb and now my dad has a cable that's like in the beginning a midi out and a (head)phone input on the other hand of the cable..is that ok??
Or is it a must to buy a midi usb interface??
(http://www.itconcept.com.hk/midismart.jpg)Midismart :lol:
You'll need a midi usb interface.
The decive you're talking about, is (if I'm not mistaken) for electric guitars to transfer incoming sounds to midi notes. The output here is the midi cable however, so you would still need something to connect it to your computer.
I'm not sure though if there are midi2usb convertors, but I wouldn't see a reason why there wouldn't be any...
EDIT: okay, so there's one... http://www.musicdeals.nl/index.php?productID=15950 LOL (description is in english)
Quote from: "Samplekit"i don't have a joystick input on my soundcard, only usb and now my dad has a cable that's like in the beginning a midi out and a (head)phone input on the other hand of the cable
Some technical comment on this :
It's quite rare, as far as I know, that your soundcard doesn't have a joystick connection.
But on most card these lines are embedded into one connector which also includes the MIDI-lines.
So one needs a splitting cable to make both functions connectable.
Your dad's cable can be interpreted in different ways. It depends on the type of plug that's used.
Is the one you call 'midi out' a standard MIDI 5-pole DIN-connector ? Then it could be valid for 'midi in' as well.
I don't see any reason for a 'headphone input', because a headphone is no soundsource. Is it a stereo 3.5 mm jack?
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"It's quite rare, as far as I know, that your soundcard doesn't have a joystick connection.
not rare anymore. midi input has be succeeded by USB these days, even for joysticks. most mainboards still have a connector for onboard joystick, though. you can add a joystick plug to your standard pci slots then. But this is not the best option for recording, i'd rather prefer a home-recording audio card which has "real" midi (1x in, 1x out) plugs.
Quote from: "Samplekit"
i have just a problem that i don't have a joystick input on my soundcard, only usb and now my dad has a cable that's like in the beginning a midi out and a (head)phone input on the other hand of the cable..is that ok??
erm... doesn't your keyboard have a normal usb-output?
if it has one you don't need any midi-cables....
Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "BooT-SectoR-ViruZ"
so then... how do i assign vst-params to my potis and mod-wheel? :wink:
As for the assignment of vstparams... I don't think thats possible in OpenMPT.
as everyone should know this lp-statement isn't true anymore for .51
Quote from: "SamZen"Is it a stereo 3.5 mm jack?
Yes i think it is, i buyed the midi keyboard for 20 euro's now im must buy a plug USB/midi for 30 euro :lol:
Quote from: "BooT-SectoR-ViruZ"Quote from: "Samplekit"
i have just a problem that i don't have a joystick input on my soundcard, only usb and now my dad has a cable that's like in the beginning a midi out and a (head)phone input on the other hand of the cable..is that ok??
erm... doesn't your keyboard have a normal usb-output?
if it has one you don't need any midi-cables....
Quote from: "LPChip"Quote from: "BooT-SectoR-ViruZ"
so then... how do i assign vst-params to my potis and mod-wheel? :wink:
As for the assignment of vstparams... I don't think thats possible in OpenMPT.
as everyone should know this lp-statement isn't true anymore for .51
Only 1 midi output..what you want for that money?! :)
Im going to play when i got this thing working,
Regards!
Thanks Jojo, for upgrading my knowledge about the current situation.
can someone help me, i now got a EMU (midi 1x1) usb cable set!
I have the midi out in the keyboard and the usb in the pc.
But how can i listen something? and what program?
I think there is no sound in the keyboard and i must use the midi in IN the keyboard.
Regards,
midi is not about sound, it's about data. if you want to hear something from your keyboard, you'll need to connect an audio cable to your pc's soundcard.
Quote from: "Jojo"midi is not about sound, it's about data. if you want to hear something from your keyboard, you'll need to connect an audio cable to your pc's soundcard.
Yes, thank you.
I have a new cable : USB / midi in + out cable..
This thing only has a midi out, like this:(http://www.arpegemusic.com/manual/Midi_-_03.jpg)
And now i want to set music in it and record.
use this tutorial (http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2278.0) until "step 5".
after that you go to the instrument tab and play something on your keyboard
Quote from: "BooT-SectoR-ViruZ"use this tutorial (http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?topic=2278.0) until "step 5".
after that you go to the instrument tab and play something on your keyboard
BSV, this works, i have sound (what i do on my pc keyboard i can do now on my midiboard).
:)
At this moment i think i dont need a midi keyboard, cus i do the same things on my pc keyboard.
But i want to put files (midi) in the midi keyboard and record, is that possible?
Regards & nice weekend,
Quote from: "Samplekit"At this moment i think i dont need a midi keyboard, cus i do the same things on my pc keyboard.
But i want to put files (midi) in the midi keyboard and record, is that possible?
Regards & nice weekend,
If your midi keyboard also has a stand alone application where it produces sound, it most likelly is possible, but I can't guarantee that though.
If its possible, you'll need to be able to have a midi driver in your control panel that allows you to send midi out data to. Set this driver as your primairy sound for playing midi's and then play a midi in your media player. It should then play it through your keyboard. If you have winamp or xmplay with the in_midi.dll plugin, you'll also be able to play a midi file and use a .DLS to play that midi using this soundfont. You might get really good results that way too.
Quote from: "Samplekit"
But i want to put files (midi) in the midi keyboard and record, is that possible?
could you please explain that a little more clearly?
i'm not quite sure what you're trying to achieve by that....
so your midi-keyboard has some instruments itself and you want your midi
to be played with those instruments, right?
you could just play the midi files in OMPT
and change the instruments from your sample-/vst-pool....
but ok... if that's what you want you might wanna try what LP said
Quote from: "BooT-SectoR-ViruZ"Quote from: "Samplekit"
But i want to put files (midi) in the midi keyboard and record, is that possible?
could you please explain that a little more clearly?
i'm not quite sure what you're trying to achieve by that....
as i see it your keyboard doesn't have any instruments itself
so i totally don't understand the purpose of sending midi data to it.
for just playing midi files i think you can just use OMPT
:?: :?: :?:
Hey BSV,
Thanks for your reply,
I asked LP about this yesterday, and your right.
For playing i can use this midikeyboard but if i want to put things in it and record i also need a midi input in the keyboard, what this thing don't got :o
I must go to a store or something to buy a deesend(?!:)) midi keyboard + a sampler maybe, for beginners. so i can see how things working.
I understand this now, right now i keep on playing with the samples.
Regards!
I I I I ..hmnzz :nuts:
i still don't understand for what reason you wanna let your keyboard play midi-files, but ok...
you might want to check the following stores:
http://www.musicstore.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/MusicStore-MusicStoreShop-Site/nl_NL/-/NLG/ViewApplication-DisplayCachedWelcomePage2;pgid=TOZgSBShVSfZObRg000000000000MXMJFsHo
http://www.thomann.de/nl/index.html?sid=b12704f3cd289e626d31d23fb797f4b2
hahah, yes, i got a bunch of midi files, remix it, get the samples out of the files or something.
Please dont say im crazy :lol:
Quote from: "Samplekit"Please dont say im crazy :lol:
Okay, then I won't. :nuts:
But seriously. SampleKit wanted to play midi files over his keyboard which generally is a very good way to play midi files. When I do this over both my Yamaha PSR-740 and Roland FP-2, I get very good sound. Much better than playing over windows and even when I use soundbanks, I usually get better sound with my keyboard because those sounds were made together to be good whereas a SF2 bank sometimes isn't that good (soundquality wise, or how the sounds fit together), or its so big that you run into other problems.
In SampleKits case, the keyboard he uses is only a midi controller. It doesn't have buildin speakers or a sampling unit. It can't produce any sound, only send out midi data through its midi-out interface.
Oh, and SampleKit, its "decent" (dutch: redelijk als in redelijk goed/vrij normaal/goed genoeg)
buying a new midi-keyboard just to play some midi files still sounds a little odd to me, but i'll accept that geekyness
:nuts:
mwHUAAaaaa (where is that chat/shoutbox) :boogie: