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http://clones.soonlabel.com/mp3/seagull-try-3-ensemble.mp3
all guitar
seagull acoustic
fender mustang
roland gr20 as appropriate
I wish I had congas or some other soft percussion with this.
Well, you should have, because the speed of the beat of this is not very consistent, which is quite difficult anyhow if that slow.
yes... its my chicken and egg problem.
Since I can't write percussion too well this is problematic for me.
Thanks for the listen.
Maybe not necessary to add some percussion in the mix, but just some dummy metronome-like thing could be sufficient.
a click-track?
I could try that again - its funny I have real problems playing with a metronome but with drums I'm ok....
I tend to not be able to listen to myself playing and the metronome. that was a really big problem for me when I was studying classical guitar and piano.
Oh... anything but the metronome. :D
I can only imagine that thing 'till i'm arranging my melodies to the proper beat, but definitely not in the final mixing. This piece is just ok even without any percussion because it's slow enough, although i'm arranging while listening, a nice percussion beat to most songs that don't have one, so they sounds good ^^.
Thanks for the listen Psi. It was mostly a put together for my wife Debbie. She doesn't go for the classical/microtonal/ambient/free jazz/whatever pops in my head stuff :-)
Ok,
I revised the bass line and added some voice clips and changed some volumes, edited some note placements for timing.
Could I have an opinion on version 3?
http://clones.soonlabel.com/mp3/bitter-dregs-3.mp3
Thanks!
Certainly a better arrangement, Clones.
Thanks for the listen and comment Sam.
It looks as though another version will materialize - I found a percussionist looking for collaborators on trax in space and he is trying to work with this.
Already sounds much nicer, and you're saying that there will be a nice percussion line? Waiting for the next version then. =)
Hi Psi,
Yep - and in fact I was working with his tracks last night.
Chris
Ok,
Here it is with percussion
http://clones.soonlabel.com/mp3/bitter-dregs-4.mp3
Many thinks to Norm Harris for composing and performing the percussion.
http://www.traxinspace.com/profile/norm
yea, now we're talkin', the percussion gave this song the needed advantage.
2 things, that i would mention:
- 1:20, that big gong don't really fit in this peaceful song, something less dramatic could do better effect.
- it's mayb just me, but the percussion seems out of sync with music.
I'm pretty sure I got the congas in the right place.
norm is a bit of an experimentalist - he called this "implied 6/8 in 4/4"
Thanks for the listen - I'll listen some more with respect to your comments.
I think you know how one can listen to it so many times that almost -anything- sounds good... so let me re-visit it.
Still a clear progression..
QuoteI'm pretty sure I got the congas in the right place.
"implied 6/8 in 4/4" is fine :D, i've meant out of bpm sync, it seems that there are an audible delay gap between the drum loop and the "imaginary" bmp kick/metronome.
edit: Listened to couple of more times, seems that it's the "humanized" effect of live playing. The delay is not audible all the times, there are places where it feels properly accurate, but on some places the sync feels wrong.
QuoteI think you know how one can listen to it so many times that almost -anything- sounds good.
yes, i'm very aware of this phenomena, that's why its a good idea to show a "wip" or finished pieces to fresh ears.
Hi Sam, I don't understand your comment.
Psi it is probably my playing that is at fault.
QuotePsi it is probably my playing that is at fault.
hmmm, now that you are mentioning it... that can be right, maybe you are off the bpm sometimes. I'll just leave it like that, its really nothing serious tho', i'm just a perfectionist on most of the cases. :D
I meant that version 4 is better than the previous one.
I agree with Psi about the "humanized" effect. Sometimes it's there, but nothing to be worried about.
Thanks for the answers.
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Sam, Psi, I thought you might like to see what Sonar looked like when I was mastering the final version.
It is an expensive program but it does allow me to do quite a lot. I think it was money well spent (I upgraded for $200 or $250 which isn't as bad as new). Certainly more worth the money that say vista is....
The resolution is 1920x1200 so I'm making them links not embedded pictures
http://clones.soonlabel.com/tis/dregs1.jpg
http://clones.soonlabel.com/tis/dregs2.jpg
Now this free program called Reaper (or for Linux Rosegarden - if you can get sound to work...) claims to perform a lot of the functions Sonar does...