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Title: [DUPE] X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: Really Weird Person on October 30, 2008, 23:18:48
It would be excellent (and necessary in some cases) if the Position Jump effect (Bxx) was affected by the x-parameter effect (#xx). There is a song that I would like to do, but I cannot do it because it requires over 5,000 patterns (even at 1,024 rows apiece  :nuts:) (I know that I am! Actually, I am not so much nuts as I am crazy!) According to some of his posts, it sounds like LPChip may be much more nuts though :lol:! BTW, what was the link to download the latest version of Modplug Tracker again? Thanks

Edit: Moved to the issue tracker: https://bugs.openmpt.org/view.php?id=789
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: LPChip on October 31, 2008, 06:40:27
There's a forum which is called Software Downloads. In there, there's a post that gives you the link. :)

And I'm indeed very nuts. You're more eh... weird? :nuts:
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: Really Weird Person on October 31, 2008, 22:46:51
Weird indeed, perhaps I would consider myself, in that case, wrazy then. I looked and did not see it. It used to be an "as always" link, but I did not see that. I believe that it was one of your posts, LPChip.
Weird, odd, wodd!
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: LPChip on October 31, 2008, 22:56:30
http://forum.openmpt.org/index.php?board=2.0
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: psishock on November 01, 2008, 12:42:58
Quote from: "RWP"5,000 patterns, even at 1,024 rows
hmmm, that makes me really wonder, what type of song is that you're making, and how does it sounds? Can you render a short part of it (about a minute or so) to mp3 and give us some sneak peak preview?
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: älskling on November 01, 2008, 22:50:01
Quote from: "psishock"
Quote from: "RWP"5,000 patterns, even at 1,024 rows
hmmm, that makes me really wonder, what type of song is that you're making, and how does it sounds? Can you render a short part of it (about a minute or so) to mp3 and give us some sneak peak preview?

A short sneak peak preview of such a song still ought to last for an hour or so... In order to give a good impression of what the final piece will be like.
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: Really Weird Person on November 01, 2008, 23:05:05
Sure thing, I will get started on it after I submit this post because I will have to make it first. :lol: :nuts:
Here are the first four patterns of it. It is actually the first 48 patterns of the song, it is the first three whole (1,024 row) patterns and 32 rows of the fourth.
http://www.file-upload.net/en/download-1224523/Insaniqwool_1st_4_Patterns.mp3.html
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: psishock on November 02, 2008, 09:23:10
Oh, i've got the picture.
Very interesting, sounds like the dark megamix version of the old "popcorn" theme. :o Its calming, like those console RPG musics ^^ Its creative btw with those sharp transitions, it keeps the listener's attention. I would switch some of the sounds in it, but i'm feeling this in almost every song :lol:, so it's best to leave that part to the artist.
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: Really Weird Person on November 02, 2008, 14:56:05
Yep, it is the combination of Popcorn, the music from the Stadium and Danger Room arenas from One Must Fall 2097, and the songs from Insaniquarium (http://www.popcap.com/games/insaniquarium) (in the form of a suite). The pattern numbers are as follows.
Danger Room:  13
Stadium:  24
Insaniquarium Suite (Elegost! is the filename though):  68½ (technical amount), rounded to 69 and doubled to make 138. The LCM is 624(138) or 86,112. 86,112 ÷ 16 = 5,382. Position jump maximum = position 255 or pattern 256, hmm.
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: psishock on November 02, 2008, 23:13:17
omg :shock:  ... ... i've actually read that last few sentences multiple times, slowly, did a google search (LCM) to be able to understand, what did you mean. :o

You always "do" music this way? It's insane. The math sounds very correct... but it feels wrong somehow. =)
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: älskling on November 03, 2008, 17:20:13
It's an odd wodd weird way of doing mashups I think :D
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: Really Weird Person on November 03, 2008, 23:14:32
Indeed I do. I do that every time I make combination songs because I want them to end at the same time and that is the only way that I know of to do it [and I believe that it is the only way to do it]. The only time that I do not do that is if I make suites. Then I use a simple sum. As for the lack of knowledge as to what LCM is, that is interesting. I would have thought that you would have learned that in one of your math classes in school. Perhaps you were one of those kids who quit school at an early age, in which case you may not necessarily know what LCM (Least Common Multiple) and GCF (Greatest Common Factor) are.
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: psishock on November 04, 2008, 00:58:30
QuotePerhaps you were one of those kids who quit school at an early age
lol :D, the case is much simpler that you think, you see not everyone goes to "English" schools =). I was, just like many other people in this world, finished the studies in my native language, Hungarian. The expression that we used were on the same language, but that haven't stopped me from google-ing this English term and finding my answer. =)
LCM in Hungarian would sound something like "legkisebb közös többszörös" ^^
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: LPChip on November 04, 2008, 05:41:31
I was puzzled too, and my reason is that I'm dutch. :) Yeah, same problem. :nuts:
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: Really Weird Person on November 04, 2008, 13:01:51
I did not realize that you were not native English speakers. So you probably did learn about it, but you used phrases that were more suited for your language as opposed to the acronym in the post. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Acronym)
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: psishock on November 04, 2008, 13:27:28
Quote from: "RWP"I did not realize that you were not native English speakers
That may be one of the biggest compliment i've ever had :D

Quote from: "RWP"So you probably did learn about it, but you used phrases that were more suited for your language as opposed to the acronym in the post. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Acronym)
That is correct, RWP. ^^
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: bvanoudtshoorn on November 04, 2008, 13:58:05
Well, I'm English speaking, and the common term here in Australia is "Lowest Common Denominator", LCD, not LCM. :D LCMs are a type of muesli bar thing in these parts. (And yes, LCDs are a type of screen.)
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: älskling on November 04, 2008, 21:19:22
Quote from: "bvanoudtshoorn"Well, I'm English speaking, and the common term here in Australia is "Lowest Common Denominator", LCD, not LCM. :D
So you always deal in fractions down under? :P
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: Really Weird Person on November 04, 2008, 22:41:00
I believe that GCD is also valid. I do not recall using that particular term much, but I believe that it is indeed valid. As for the screen thing, I believe that most of them are indeed LCD, but some of the newer ones are actually LED screens.
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: LPChip on November 05, 2008, 06:55:56
I'm sorry RWP, but thats not true. For TV's and computer screens, LED screens aren't used, simply because the diameter of a single LED is too big. LED screens are only used to create moving images for large screens used for say: performances on stage etc.

It wouldn't be practicle to use this for the consumers simply because this techique is usefull for large screens, but not small screens. The consumer would have to get too far away to get a good image, which usually is impossible for them.
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: psishock on November 05, 2008, 09:04:19
LPChip, i think RWP is speaking about the OLED technology which is new indeed and have a nice result even in very small screens. It's very cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED

some quote from wiki:
QuoteA significant benefit of OLED displays over traditional liquid crystal displays (LCDs) is that OLEDs do not require a backlight to function. Thus they draw far less power and, when powered from a battery, can operate longer on the same charge. Because there is no need for a backlight, an OLED display can be much thinner than an LCD panel. OLED-based display devices also can be more effectively manufactured than LCDs and plasma displays.
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: LPChip on November 05, 2008, 09:56:04
Ah okay, a new technology. I googled for LED screen and saw what it was, then realised it uses a technique that is not yet on a small scale. Didn't find OLED searches though...
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: Saga Musix on November 05, 2008, 13:09:52
LED is also used in screens, not for the colours but for the backlight.
Title: X-parameter Effect Affecting Position Jump
Post by: Really Weird Person on November 05, 2008, 23:20:04
In the case of backlighting, LED is used for that also. Keyboard indicator lights for example