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Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Apocalyptiq on September 02, 2007, 09:39:00
ModPlug Plugin work only with IE, Opera and Netscape... Is there some version of MPP, which work with FireFox?

I'm sorry if my english grammar is weak (I'm from Poland  :wink: )
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Saga Musix on September 02, 2007, 10:17:51
The plugin development has ceased, so there's little hope that anyone will do a new one for firefox. also, regarding the quality of the compressed modules and the modern flash mp3 players, it's quite useless nowadays IMHO. however, you could try IE Tab (https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/1419), a firefox addon that opens Internet Explorer in a firefox tab, so you can use the plugin "within Internet Exploder within Firefox" :)
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Sam_Zen on September 02, 2007, 23:20:43
Strange. The version I use of MPP can't function in IE since XP, but still works fine with Firefox (2.0.0.6).
You can download the plugin here (http://www.louigiverona.com/webarchive/samzen/plugmods/preplug.html). This page also offers a sub-page to test your plugin.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: maleek on September 05, 2007, 08:14:44
What Jojo said. The plugin isn't continued to be developed like the tracker, in open source. There has been some questions on this department though. Let's see what happens.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Apocalyptiq on September 05, 2007, 15:36:03
Sam_Zen -> that plugin works!  :) thnx!  :wink:  And... I want to use this plugin to play modules on my web... Is there any way to add on web easy installer, for visitors, of this plug? Or is there some trick to change colors of this plug player?  :wink:

Jojo -> nice addon  :wink:


Sorry for my weak english again  :oops:
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Sam_Zen on September 05, 2007, 23:57:03
No easy installer, I'm afraid. There was a version with a setup searching for the plugins directory of the browser,
but even then, you had to instruct people to close the browser and open it again to make the plugin active.

You can change colors and more things.
You can find information how to use it in a webpage and the several options here (http://www.louigiverona.com/webarchive/samzen/modz/nmodsynt.txt)
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Apocalyptiq on September 06, 2007, 17:02:06
Thnx for instructions Sam_Zen!  :)  Really cool player!  :wink:
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: LPChip on September 06, 2007, 17:39:29
As this is a good topic, I'm moving it to Technical Documents. :)
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Sam_Zen on September 06, 2007, 23:31:18
Rightly so, LPChip.
So, to make it more complete :
It's not just a player, check the R-click (http://www.louigiverona.com/webarchive/samzen/modz/mppine.html) context.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Apocalyptiq on October 21, 2007, 12:07:27
I just start to programming a website, which will be an archive of notes for various instruments (like guitar, piano, drums), and I want to inscribe them on site, something like in MPT - notes and tabulatures will be divided for bars, like there: http://www.guitarchive.y0.pl/tab.php?utwor=The_Lost_Vikings_-_Title (sorry for bugs, it is very early beta version of this site  :lol: ).
Is there some way to edit mod's embed on site from MP Plugin? Sometimes I have one bug in MPPlugin (when I embed a lot of MPPlugins with the same module on one site and click 'play' much times) - a note, that should be played from module is lower... Well, maybe is there some way do edit it from plugin on site?
And how can I edit buttons or all interface of MP Plugin and add some new functions (is there some program or programming language to do it?)?

Maybe You have some ideas how to show notes on site (maybe like in MPT, in patterns?)? I will be very thankful for good advices  :wink:
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Sam_Zen on October 21, 2007, 23:58:20
Showing notes or patterns is not exactly a duty of a simple player imo. And editing it's own embed code on a HTML-page would be quite a complicated task for a browser-plugin, to say the least.

Anyway, no more change is possible, the plugin is what it is, and one has to deal with it. No source code, no updates.

I don't know exactly with what you mean with "when I embed a lot of MPPlugins with the same module on one site and click 'play' much times", but maybe you can avoid this buggy behaviour by dividing the modules onto different web-pages instead of one big one. But it's a wild guess.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Apocalyptiq on January 23, 2008, 09:51:06
I find an Online Midi Sequencer (http://midi.mathewvp.com/midiSequencer.htm), you can create there a midi's from HTML (this program create midi by biniary code). It is possible to do something similar with MOD (.it, .mod etc.) files? In this page there are some PHP scripts, which can edit MIDI files: http://dasdeck.de/staff/valentin/midi/.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Snu on January 23, 2008, 15:36:57
Quote from: "Apocalyptiq"I find an Online Midi Sequencer (http://midi.mathewvp.com/midiSequencer.htm), you can create there a midi's from HTML (this program create midi by biniary code). It is possible to do something similar with MOD (.it, .mod etc.) files? In this page there are some PHP scripts, which can edit MIDI files: http://dasdeck.de/staff/valentin/midi/.

i suppose it would be possible to write such a program in java or flash.... but WHY?
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Saga Musix on January 23, 2008, 16:08:06
i think that there exists such a script on the web, but i don't have the link anymore :|
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Apocalyptiq on January 24, 2008, 11:37:56
Jojo -> where you was read about this script?  :wink:
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Saga Musix on January 24, 2008, 16:21:01
that's the problem... either it was on the TMA forums, TMA chat, or somewhere else :P
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Apocalyptiq on January 24, 2008, 18:04:36
What is TMA? :)
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: LPChip on January 24, 2008, 18:55:25
Quote from: "Apocalyptiq"What is TMA? :)
The Mod Archive
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Sam_Zen on March 07, 2008, 00:34:08
M$ has announced that the new IE version will be more compatible again with other browsers,
so there's still hope.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Apocalyptiq on March 13, 2008, 11:40:43
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"M$ has announced that the new IE version will be more compatible again with other browsers
New version of plugin? When it will be available?
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: LPChip on March 13, 2008, 11:49:45
Quote from: "Apocalyptiq"
Quote from: "Sam_Zen"M$ has announced that the new IE version will be more compatible again with other browsers
New version of plugin? When it will be available?

No, no new version of the plugin. Chances are slim that there ever will be a new version of that plugin.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Sam_Zen on March 14, 2008, 01:05:06
Indeed. Maybe we should do a poll on the forum about how many people would want a further open-source
development. If it's substantial, then maybe we could send a petition to Olivier about it.

The MP Plugin is a Nutscape based one, and in the current situation such plugins are deliberately obstructed
to function by M$, so maybe this will be corrected again.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Sam_Zen on December 19, 2009, 09:23:45
I'm running XP  and FireFox 3.5 and the plugin is still running fine.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Saga Musix on December 19, 2009, 11:32:13
While it might "run" fine and you promote it alot that it "still works", I would beg you to calm down a bit with that. Not because the plugin doesn't make sense. But because it's now more than 12 years old. What does that mean? Well, the routines are terribly outdated. ModPlug played hardly any slightly complicated module (i.e. mods with a couple of effects) right back then. The engine is so old and buggy, it's just unbelievable. While this might not be obvious when playing very basic modules, it becomes very obvious once more than just your basic mod effects are involved. It's simply not worth using anymore, just like ModPlug Player.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Sam_Zen on December 20, 2009, 02:19:25
I don't promote anything, and I'm aware of the fact, that it can only play the basic oldskool modules.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Saga Musix on December 20, 2009, 11:50:26
Well, I meant "promote" in a sense that you are quite the only one "advertising" the plugin these days. And without giving a warning that the plugin fails on most modules, this can lead to a lot of confusing and disappointment.
It's a bit like saying that Win95 still works on modern computers - But that is really not a reason to still use it.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Sam_Zen on December 21, 2009, 01:25:41
You've got a point about the lack of warning. I already warned about the plugin not being accepted by IE,
but I should have warned too about being not compatible with some modern modules, let alone VSTs.

Whether it's advertising or not, I just recommended to use the plugin specifically for some webpages I published.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Saga Musix on December 21, 2009, 11:56:56
Quotebut I should have warned too about being not compatible with some modern modules, let alone VSTs.
What I'm trying to say the whole time that this does not only affect "modern" modules (whatever that may be). It does play many old tracks wrong, and that's a fact. Same goes for ModPlug Player.

Some nice examples: ftp://ftp.scene.org/mirrors/hornet/code/audio/docs/fmoddoc2.zip
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Sam_Zen on December 22, 2009, 00:38:39
QuoteIt does play many old tracks wrong, and that's a fact. Same goes for ModPlug Player.
Hm, I didn't know that. The zip was timed out, but I take your word for it.
Afaik I had no trouble with the playing, maybe because the modules were plain sample based MODs or XMs.
With 'modern' I meant modules made after ~2000, maybe containing newer codes.
Title: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Saga Musix on December 22, 2009, 09:36:59
Neither Impulse Tracker nor FastTracker have been updated since then, so there can't be any new commands. You can trick the old modplug routines quite easily with many rather simple commands.
Title: Re: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Saga Musix on December 23, 2010, 11:30:49
Plugin development has ceased 10 years ago already. Don't try to use it in a modern browser, it will most likely not work and the plugin's playback quality is sub-par anyway. If you really need module playback on a website, better use something like flashmodplug (http://unitzeroone.com/labs/flashModPlug/).
Title: Re: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: LPChip on December 23, 2010, 11:53:01
Quote from: Jojo on December 23, 2010, 11:30:49
Plugin development has ceased 10 years ago already. Don't try to use it in a modern browser, it will most likely not work and the plugin's playback quality is sub-par anyway. If you really need module playback on a website, better use something like flashmodplug (http://unitzeroone.com/labs/flashModPlug/).

This is a nice project I didn't know of. But how can one incorporate it into his own website? I don't seem to find a way to get the player as a download so I can configure it etc...
Title: Re: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Saga Musix on December 23, 2010, 12:37:46
It does indeed seem like there hasn't been much progress on this project recently, so there's still no public version available methinks. However it's just one example of how to play modules in a browser, there are many more Java and Flash mod players out there.
Title: Re: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: LPChip on December 23, 2010, 13:13:29
Would you happen to know one that can play .it / .xm files? I haven't found one that can by searching. (other than this flashmodplug project that has no download)
Title: Re: ModPlug Plugin for FireFox?
Post by: Saga Musix on December 23, 2010, 13:20:59
FLOD (http://www.photonstorm.com/topics/as3/libs/flod) plays various exotic amiga formats (flash).
PortaMod (http://crayolon.net/portamod-modxms3m-library-for-processing/) can play MOD/S3M/XM (Processing)
JavaMod (http://www.quippy.de/mod.php) can play various module formats, including XM (seems to be ready for IT, but that's currently not supported) (Java)

So IT support is rather rare, but many players support XM.