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« on: October 06, 2009, 18:00:44 »
The export (save as)  to  one file per channel (channel mode) is nice...

BUT that assumes if you want to do a proper mastering you coded your song with one sample per channel


This is not always true.

Back in the 4 and 8 channel days one *had* to put instruments together in the same channel. And I for one never stopped working in that mode. The main reason is that I dislike working with huge number of channels. Also older tunes which could benefit from re-mastering can't without a lot of work.

What I wish is that there was an automated way to solo one instrument and export the wav - solo the next instrument and export the wav - and so on until each instrument was exported into its own file ready for me to import into Sonar to master it.

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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2009, 18:02:29 »
Isn't this already possible?

I know this has been requested before (a long time ago) so I assume that either this request is still there, or it already has been implemented.
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 18:13:29 »
if its implemented then I don't know how to do it.

It is not an option during save as wave

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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 18:19:01 »
you can mute / unmute samples / instruments from the tree, if that's any help.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 18:24:27 »
well....

I'm looking for an automated way to do it.

One could brute force solo channels as well - but per channel output is automated.

One needs to be really motivated to do a per instrument output by hand if you have quite a few instruments.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 19:23:59 »
I think this would be even better with an option to group instruments (and channels for that matter). (Jojo: for .mptm of course)

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 19:37:51 »
I've looked through all the requests (closed and open ones) and I can't find it myself either.

I do know that Skaven was the one who requested this and it triggered a discussion.

The only thing I can think of, is that it must've been posted before the forum crash.
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2009, 22:10:44 »
does that mean the feature can go into the queue?

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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2009, 23:45:25 »
hm. The automated way can have its bottlenecks.
If you want a particular instrument, scattered over several channels, to be gathered into one output,
there's the risk of a strange outcome because every channel can have its own global volume.

I've used the same strategy in those 4-8 days for efficiency reasons. And often still do.
So if I want to achieve this, I'll have to put some work into a dedicated export version of the piece.

2 g : exporting a group of channels already is possible.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2009, 23:52:46 »
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does that mean the feature can go into the queue?

It certainly doesn't mean that either Relabs or me are eager to program this ASAP at least...
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2009, 23:57:55 »
That's understood Jojo. Its just good if its on the list.


@ Sam


Well.. I don't see how the export could not represent the way the instrument actually sounds in the module output.

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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2009, 07:39:12 »
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Well.. I don't see how the export could not represent the way the instrument actually sounds in the module output.

If several instruments are routed to the same plugin, and that plugin is controlled by the characteristics of the input then it will sound different. The most basic example I can think of is a compressor.


@Sam:

I can't seem to find the feature of grouping channels... How does it work?

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2009, 14:08:34 »
I see, I don't use VST effects. I'm old school.....

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2009, 14:58:17 »
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Well.. I don't see how the export could not represent the way the instrument actually sounds in the module output.

If several instruments are routed to the same plugin, and that plugin is controlled by the characteristics of the input then it will sound different. The most basic example I can think of is a compressor.


Well, the same problem would occur when using channel mode, though. That's why you could use channel mode (and also instrument mode) for example on a mixed, but not mastered module: Import all channels / instruments and apply compressors, mastering effects and other stuff in an external app.
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2009, 23:27:26 »
2 g : Export as a whole song, but mute the channels you don't want to be included.

(as uncloned, I'm talking about my non-VST situation)
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