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#31
Development Corner / Re: Open ModPlug Player
Last post by Exhale - April 01, 2024, 16:49:45Hi sunshine, I hope you are still ok and working on this project... I was thinking I might offer to lend a hand in the ways I can by offering to make skins for it.
It has been so long since you were working on this lovely little project, and I really hope you are still ok. If you have had life get in the way, maybe an offer for some graphical assistance might get you enthused on the project again, but if you dont reply I will try my very best to fork the project and add skins that way and maybe when you come back I will have skins to offer you.
EDIT : WARNING! WARNING!
do not drag and drop your tracks into any of the windows versions of this... it deletes the file! Fortunately I tested the drag and drop on a tune I had already uploaded to the modplug forums, but when I went to go drag and drop it again it wasnt there... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
I added a warning on the git for other people too.
It has been so long since you were working on this lovely little project, and I really hope you are still ok. If you have had life get in the way, maybe an offer for some graphical assistance might get you enthused on the project again, but if you dont reply I will try my very best to fork the project and add skins that way and maybe when you come back I will have skins to offer you.
EDIT : WARNING! WARNING!
do not drag and drop your tracks into any of the windows versions of this... it deletes the file! Fortunately I tested the drag and drop on a tune I had already uploaded to the modplug forums, but when I went to go drag and drop it again it wasnt there... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
I added a warning on the git for other people too.
#32
General Chatter / Some personal lessons about MI...
Last post by Exhale - April 01, 2024, 12:51:46I thought I would document a few lessons I have learned working with my midi controllers and ompt.
1 - This has improved my accuracy to near perfection is that having a click track is fine, but a better method is to sync up the timing of the midi controller with modplug and rely on a very basic beat on the keyboard to play to. I managed to achieve perfect timing with modplug this way today - note for note. Tell modplug to receive play and stop commands from the keyboard and turn the click track down considerably so it doesnt distract you because it does seem to go very slightly out of sync often - rely on the beat from the keyboard instead and you will get perfect timing. Unfortunately if your keyboard doesnt have built in beats you will need that click track, but still do the other steps I have mentioned and rely on the click track.
2 - Give yourself some breathing room, dont expect to start on the first down beat. Give yourself a measure or two to brace yourself before you start inputting notes... you can delete the dead space afterwards.
3 - Make a single pattern of 1024 with your click track all along the whole thing. You can cut it up later, but it is easier to cut notation from a full pattern, to put them into the smaller patterns with the flexibility of allowing yourself to come in on the first down beat that suits you, than it is to cut and paste pattern halves into the right places when you have started playing half way through the pattern.
4 - Use quantization, there is no shame in it, if you want more fidelity in the quantization, increase the rows per beat and beats per measure to 8/32, 16/64, and double, quadruple and so on your pattern lengths, this will give you coding room on the places notes are laid giving your more space for effects.
5 - I cannot stress this enough, and it is linked to the first tip, take your time to make completely sure the timing is to your liking, as close as possible to what you practiced, it will confuse your brain if it isnt and it will screw up your performance for recording if it is faster or slower than you practiced.
6 - I almost forgot the most important lesson... SAVE as soon as your performance is done... and keep saving as you fix up the code. But this is an important tip for every creative thing you do on a computer. My last performance crashed my modplug while I was working on fixing the code, but I suspect that has something to do with it being 32bit on a 64bit machine or maybe it has something to do with the asio2wasapi driver I am using...
There - that is 4 tips for now, I will write more here as they come to me, and I admit when it comes to the coding coming from the midi devices there is plenty to be desired, but it is usable with a lot of finessing - the last one I made stacked up so many notes one after another in the same channels even though I had given the software 7 channels to work with and was holding down my sustain pedal*... but it was unfortunately lost while I was trying to work on the coding because I stupidly didnt save it... which is fine... I learned specifically the first tip here during that recording session and in my mind making music with modplug and my midi devices is now not just viable, but something I am going to be doing almost exclusively for a long time now. Adding live performances to my tracks will bring new life to many of them I am sure.
*I wish ompt would - when the sustain pedal is being held down, try its best with the room it has been given, to give each note one channel no matter how closely together they are input - but that is something I will need to talk about on the issue tracker.
Good luck with your own adventures into live performances recorded by ompt, and I hope you have plenty of success.
1 - This has improved my accuracy to near perfection is that having a click track is fine, but a better method is to sync up the timing of the midi controller with modplug and rely on a very basic beat on the keyboard to play to. I managed to achieve perfect timing with modplug this way today - note for note. Tell modplug to receive play and stop commands from the keyboard and turn the click track down considerably so it doesnt distract you because it does seem to go very slightly out of sync often - rely on the beat from the keyboard instead and you will get perfect timing. Unfortunately if your keyboard doesnt have built in beats you will need that click track, but still do the other steps I have mentioned and rely on the click track.
2 - Give yourself some breathing room, dont expect to start on the first down beat. Give yourself a measure or two to brace yourself before you start inputting notes... you can delete the dead space afterwards.
3 - Make a single pattern of 1024 with your click track all along the whole thing. You can cut it up later, but it is easier to cut notation from a full pattern, to put them into the smaller patterns with the flexibility of allowing yourself to come in on the first down beat that suits you, than it is to cut and paste pattern halves into the right places when you have started playing half way through the pattern.
4 - Use quantization, there is no shame in it, if you want more fidelity in the quantization, increase the rows per beat and beats per measure to 8/32, 16/64, and double, quadruple and so on your pattern lengths, this will give you coding room on the places notes are laid giving your more space for effects.
5 - I cannot stress this enough, and it is linked to the first tip, take your time to make completely sure the timing is to your liking, as close as possible to what you practiced, it will confuse your brain if it isnt and it will screw up your performance for recording if it is faster or slower than you practiced.
6 - I almost forgot the most important lesson... SAVE as soon as your performance is done... and keep saving as you fix up the code. But this is an important tip for every creative thing you do on a computer. My last performance crashed my modplug while I was working on fixing the code, but I suspect that has something to do with it being 32bit on a 64bit machine or maybe it has something to do with the asio2wasapi driver I am using...
There - that is 4 tips for now, I will write more here as they come to me, and I admit when it comes to the coding coming from the midi devices there is plenty to be desired, but it is usable with a lot of finessing - the last one I made stacked up so many notes one after another in the same channels even though I had given the software 7 channels to work with and was holding down my sustain pedal*... but it was unfortunately lost while I was trying to work on the coding because I stupidly didnt save it... which is fine... I learned specifically the first tip here during that recording session and in my mind making music with modplug and my midi devices is now not just viable, but something I am going to be doing almost exclusively for a long time now. Adding live performances to my tracks will bring new life to many of them I am sure.
*I wish ompt would - when the sustain pedal is being held down, try its best with the room it has been given, to give each note one channel no matter how closely together they are input - but that is something I will need to talk about on the issue tracker.
Good luck with your own adventures into live performances recorded by ompt, and I hope you have plenty of success.
#33
General Chatter / FlexASIO
Last post by Exhale - April 01, 2024, 00:16:50what are ppls thoughts about flexasio?
I got it recently and the gui too... and I am finding it pretty useful - I also got the wasapi version but that one doesnt have as flexible settings and hasnt helped me as much.
For context I was having trouble just playing an old tune which I am trying to be able to edit again, I got all the vsts set up, and loaded it up... didnt work well in 64 bit at all, fine I said, it is plugin bridging it, so I installed a portable 32bit and installed all the vsts... was still getting skipping and pops all over the place, kept playing with the settings in the soundcard setup thing - took them to the extreme, past the options given by the software 500ms latency etc... still got some skips and troubles... but then I went searching for asio4all to try install it and see if that helped... it didnt. I felt stumped, then I tried "alternative to asio4all" on a ddg search and was presented with flexASIO, and just on the stock settings the bastard played through the tune the best I had heard it come out of ompt. I am stumped, what exactly is it doing that helped so much?
for further context, this is on windows 10... the damn tune still crashes modplug often, and my journey with it is still far from over, but it felt like magic...
I am wondering about everyone elses thoughts on this software.
I got it recently and the gui too... and I am finding it pretty useful - I also got the wasapi version but that one doesnt have as flexible settings and hasnt helped me as much.
For context I was having trouble just playing an old tune which I am trying to be able to edit again, I got all the vsts set up, and loaded it up... didnt work well in 64 bit at all, fine I said, it is plugin bridging it, so I installed a portable 32bit and installed all the vsts... was still getting skipping and pops all over the place, kept playing with the settings in the soundcard setup thing - took them to the extreme, past the options given by the software 500ms latency etc... still got some skips and troubles... but then I went searching for asio4all to try install it and see if that helped... it didnt. I felt stumped, then I tried "alternative to asio4all" on a ddg search and was presented with flexASIO, and just on the stock settings the bastard played through the tune the best I had heard it come out of ompt. I am stumped, what exactly is it doing that helped so much?
for further context, this is on windows 10... the damn tune still crashes modplug often, and my journey with it is still far from over, but it felt like magic...
I am wondering about everyone elses thoughts on this software.
#34
General Chatter / Re: 20 years
Last post by Vojvodinosaurus - March 30, 2024, 14:06:15I believe i was using win98se until 2006 when i finally moved to xp, but my first ever contact with tracker music was around 2018
#35
Free Music Downloads / [chiptune,house] groove1 (mptm...
Last post by Exhale - March 30, 2024, 06:22:08this might be the record for the smallest purely sample based tune I have added to the forums
(following post taken from the comments in the file)
made for a game I am trying to make for the gameboy,
I decided to consolidate it into an mptm and release
it on the ompt forums.
code taken from the mod I made for the game and only
changed a little bit for it to correct things lost
in the conversion, specifically the timing.
samples taken from the template provided by
gb studio
effects and panning added to enhance that extra
crunchy retro feel of the tune
it's time to get into the groove1 groove pixelboys
(following post taken from the comments in the file)
made for a game I am trying to make for the gameboy,
I decided to consolidate it into an mptm and release
it on the ompt forums.
code taken from the mod I made for the game and only
changed a little bit for it to correct things lost
in the conversion, specifically the timing.
samples taken from the template provided by
gb studio
effects and panning added to enhance that extra
crunchy retro feel of the tune
it's time to get into the groove1 groove pixelboys
#36
Free Music Downloads / Re: [house] The House Always W...
Last post by Exhale - March 29, 2024, 23:34:48Quote from: n0cturn on March 28, 2024, 19:31:08Where did you get them from?oh I get most my vsts from either plugins4free.com or my collection of old downloads, I think these were all from b4f though since the linux modplug can only show the graphics for 64bit vsts, and almost my whole old collection is 32bit.
#37
General Chatter / Re: 20 years
Last post by Saga Musix - March 28, 2024, 21:02:42It's the name I chose for the hard drive partition back then. 
#38
General Chatter / Re: 20 years
Last post by Mr.Eagle - March 28, 2024, 20:40:19I like the name of the archive ("Sinnlos 98.zip").
I was a long-time Amiga user until the end of 1999 and my first contact with Windows 98 back then was something of a culture shock.
"Nomen est omen" so to speak...
BTW: "sinnlos" is the german word for "senseless/pointless".
I was a long-time Amiga user until the end of 1999 and my first contact with Windows 98 back then was something of a culture shock.
"Nomen est omen" so to speak...
BTW: "sinnlos" is the german word for "senseless/pointless".
#39
General Chatter / Re: 20 years
Last post by Saga Musix - March 28, 2024, 19:48:59Quote from: n0cturn on March 28, 2024, 19:19:31do you run a museum in your spare time?My entire studio is one big museum of 80s/90s hardware. Old is not automatically worse.
Quote from: n0cturn on March 28, 2024, 19:19:31Time to treat yourself to a nice new computer maybe?That wouldn't run the DOS classics.
And no, emulation doesn't do them justice (at least some of them). #40
Free Music Downloads / Re: [house] The House Always W...
Last post by n0cturn - March 28, 2024, 19:31:08Where did you get them from?